Montreal would have to give up too much for Vinny that they wouldn't be a very competitive team, but I think they'd still do it.
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Dash wrote:Montreal would have to give up too much for Vinny that they wouldn't be a very competitive team, but I think they'd still do it.
Dash wrote:Montreal would have to give up too much for Vinny that they wouldn't be a very competitive team, but I think they'd still do it.
Cronie wrote:I have a feeling Montreal, or rather Gainey will go balls out this off-season and in turn shoot himself and put his organization back a year or three in the process.
HA HA! Wicked...SensFan71 wrote:Cronie wrote:I have a feeling Montreal, or rather Gainey will go balls out this off-season and in turn shoot himself and put his organization back a year or three in the process.
I will be standing there clapping as they do that as well, or lighting up a cuban with Shabbs, either way, it will be time to celebrate that as a not so polite Diddle you to the Habs, who must have the most arrogant and hated fans in the entire NHL.
asq2 wrote:Columbus can't afford a big contract. They're going to have a number of them with Brassard, Filatov, Voracek, Mason etc.
Also, the Hawks could have some issue in the future when trying to re-sign Keith, Kane and Toews.
I'm not sure the one goalie, one d-man, one forward-type system is tried and true. Calgary's had it for a while with Phaneuf, Kiprusoff and Iginla, and only this year are they having success with that model, and that's with several high-priced forwards: Iginla, Cammalleri, Jokinen.
davetherave wrote:asq2 wrote:Columbus can't afford a big contract. They're going to have a number of them with Brassard, Filatov, Voracek, Mason etc.
Also, the Hawks could have some issue in the future when trying to re-sign Keith, Kane and Toews.
I'm not sure the one goalie, one d-man, one forward-type system is tried and true. Calgary's had it for a while with Phaneuf, Kiprusoff and Iginla, and only this year are they having success with that model, and that's with several high-priced forwards: Iginla, Cammalleri, Jokinen.
ASQ, with all due respect, I must take issue with your statements. :KJK:
Columbus does indeed have room to make a significant acquisition, with just 40MM committed next year, and 23MM the following year--plenty of money when the time comes, to sign Nash and their young talent. If they move Huselius, they have more wiggle room.
Chicago is also in a better position than you claim. They have 36MM committed next year, and 25MM in 10/11. Lots of fiscal flexibility for Dale Tallon.
Calgary is perhaps the best example of the strategy I cited. With Iginla, Phaneuf, and Kipper, they have a high ticket core that keeps them competitive year after year. This means they can add short term pieces like Bertuzzi, Cammalleri and Jokinen.
You might want to look at a spreadsheet done by Scot Loucks, a blogger from Maple Leafs Hot Stove, that IMHO provides a pretty good snapshot of who is spending what going forward:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pFHFDcknPFlKYq57Adk5iWQ
asq2 wrote: I can't argue with numbers, but almost every Columbus fan I've talked to says that the team can't afford Spezza (thus, a big contract) going forward because they'll soon have to re-sign: Nash, Mason, Brassard, Voracek, Filatov. They won't have room to do that if they add a big contract, especially if the Cap goes down.
RobbyJ outlined the concern for Chicago.
Finally, as far as Calgary goes, I think their recent success this year somewhat skews the perception of the model. They've been competitive enough to make the playoffs, but they haven't won a series post-lock-out.
Personally, I don't think there's a set formula that guarantees competitiveness. It depends on the players and system that you have.
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davetherave wrote:PS here's an excellent article from TSN's Scott Cullen on the 2009 Free Agents (as they stand now):
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=271061
davetherave wrote:asq2 wrote: I can't argue with numbers, but almost every Columbus fan I've talked to says that the team can't afford Spezza (thus, a big contract) going forward because they'll soon have to re-sign: Nash, Mason, Brassard, Voracek, Filatov. They won't have room to do that if they add a big contract, especially if the Cap goes down.
RobbyJ outlined the concern for Chicago.
Finally, as far as Calgary goes, I think their recent success this year somewhat skews the perception of the model. They've been competitive enough to make the playoffs, but they haven't won a series post-lock-out.
Personally, I don't think there's a set formula that guarantees competitiveness. It depends on the players and system that you have.
Well, nobody can afford Spezza LOL.
RobbyJ's comments re: Chicago...Tallon has no real issues at this point. Not to say it isn't challenging. Sopel will probably be moved. Because the Hawks have balance across the roster, and because the players he has signed have strong trade value, Tallon has several options. He may succeed in signing all his core players without having to deal any big salaries. Or he may sign Toews and Keith--trade Kane--and see what the market is for, or keep, Campbell and Huet. Or deal Campbell, and keep Kane, Toews and Keith. He might choose to deal Campbell and/or Huet (and promote Niemi, Crawford or Fallon). He might try to sign Pronger as part of a Top 4 D with Seabrook, Campbell and Keith. He might make a pitch for Franzen. There are lots of kids in the pipeline, like Hjalmarsson, Beach and others. Byfuglien has trade value as well. The bottom line in Chicago is that the Blackhawks are trying to create a 'winning culture' that encourages players to stay for less than what they might make as free agents. How the Havlat negotiations play out will influence a number of decisions.
You are right about Calgary not winning a series post lockout...of course they were playing the Ducks, Wings and Sharks, all #1 or #2 seeds, and if you watched those series, you know they weren't exactly lay-downs...that qualifies them as competitive, doesn't it?
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Anyway, as we are talking about how who might move...or not...this aspect of the subject, and the points you, Robby, and everyone else here, raises, make for excellent discussion.
PS did you look at the spreadsheet? Interesting stuff, no?
504Heater wrote:It's simple:
The Hawks have 3 guys worthy of 7 million bucks a piece. They'll probably settle for less, but anyone who's watched Keith knows he's worth it. In the next 2 years, they'll have Kane, Toews and Keith making bare minimum of 6 million per - added to that they'll have: Campbell (7.3), Sharpe (4), Huet (5.6), Seabrook (3.5), Byfuglian (3). I assume Byfuglian will be moved, Sopel waived, but that still ties up ~ 38 million on 7 players. If the cap is at 50 million, that leaves 12 million for 13 roster player and 2 extras - so 15 players @ 12 million.
I don't like the odds of that working out.
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asq2 wrote:If you have to choose between Toews, Kane and Keith, who do you get rid of?
I suspect it would have to be Keith. But what a player to let go.
We're frustrated that Murray wasn't able to get a puck-moving defenceman this off-season, but I suspect that the main guys who did get moved (Boyle and Campbell) are going to be head-aches from a cap perspective later on in their careers.
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