OPENING NIGHT-NJ Devils @ Ottawa Senators - New Baby and Engagement Edition

NEELY wrote:I will just assume the Sens played like garbage because they are coming off that major road swing out west and the 1st game back is the toughest.  That said the Sens were lucky to win this game in a big way.

Karlsson - Despite 3 points was brutal... I mean Karlsson rookie bad when he was bad.  Yah, he showed up on the score sheet but that 2nd goal was all on him, gave the puck away regularly, and was just generally not mentally into the game.  

Anderson - Simply amazing, nothing else needs to be said.  The reason the Sens won and nothing else.

Gryba - noticeably bad throughout the season so far but last night especially.  Maybe it's because of the system the devils play he did not look like an NHL player last night.

Cowen - Needs to move his feet, he's taking lazy, lazy penalties and 2 were last night.  

Ryan & Turris - Great games, both skating and dangerous all night.

Conacher - Solid effort, really liking his game right now.

Overall - STOP TAKING PENALTIES!  There wasn't one questionable call that went against the Sens last night, not one.  The Devils didn't deserve anymore than they received either.  MacLean needs to figure this out.

Special thanks to Martin Brodure, Sens don't win that game without him.

NEELY wrote:Gryba's stick made contact with Elias' face... it's black and white.  It was a penalty.  And the tripping call on Gryba in the 2nd the guy didn't even really get his skates and that was called.  Either way, the reffing so far this year isn't the reason why the Sens are taking penalties more so than the other team.  Should we also blame the amount of shots given up and scoring chances to the refs as well?  

Sens have been soundly out played in a lot of games this year already and have given up the most shots against in the NHL.  This is on them.  People need to stop blaming the refs.

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Gryba's stick made contact with Elias' face... it's black and white.  It was a penalty.  And the tripping call on Gryba in the 2nd the guy didn't even really get his skates and that was called.  Either way, the reffing so far this year isn't the reason why the Sens are taking penalties more so than the other team.  Should we also blame the amount of shots given up and scoring chances to the refs as well?  

Sens have been soundly out played in a lot of games this year already and have given up the most shots against in the NHL.  This is on them.  People need to stop blaming the refs.

A lot of those shots come from power plays. They seem to be coming at the end of periods so the opposing team can get some momentum going into the next too. Senators have to be at the top of their game every game and that's definitely on them. But they are playing against a stacked deck before the puck drops pretty much every game.

Not buying it.  Sens are taking these penalties on their own merit.  

NEELY wrote:I will just assume the Sens played like garbage because they are coming off that major road swing out west and the 1st game back is the toughest.  That said the Sens were lucky to win this game in a big way.

Karlsson - Despite 3 points was brutal... I mean Karlsson rookie bad when he was bad.  Yah, he showed up on the score sheet but that 2nd goal was all on him, gave the puck away regularly, and was just generally not mentally into the game.  

Anderson - Simply amazing, nothing else needs to be said.  The reason the Sens won and nothing else.

Gryba - noticeably bad throughout the season so far but last night especially.  Maybe it's because of the system the devils play he did not look like an NHL player last night.

Cowen - Needs to move his feet, he's taking lazy, lazy penalties and 2 were last night.  

Ryan & Turris - Great games, both skating and dangerous all night.

Conacher - Solid effort, really liking his game right now.

Overall - STOP TAKING PENALTIES!  There wasn't one questionable call that went against the Sens last night, not one.  The Devils didn't deserve anymore than they received either.  MacLean needs to figure this out.

Special thanks to Martin Brodure, Sens don't win that game without him.

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:Gryba's stick made contact with Elias' face... it's black and white.  It was a penalty.  And the tripping call on Gryba in the 2nd the guy didn't even really get his skates and that was called.  Either way, the reffing so far this year isn't the reason why the Sens are taking penalties more so than the other team.  Should we also blame the amount of shots given up and scoring chances to the refs as well?  

Sens have been soundly out played in a lot of games this year already and have given up the most shots against in the NHL.  This is on them.  People need to stop blaming the refs.

Like I said, lots of black-and-white stick-contact-with-face somehow gets missed against Sens players.  Not all but a surprisingly high number.  Also what was Gryba doing with his stick?  Was he being lazy and allowing a lot of shots against?  What the hell does your comment about them giving up a lot of shots have to do with anything?  Crap gets called against them that is not called against the team they are playing.  It's black and white.  Just like the zebras shirts.  Sure, the Sens have been playing poorly, but they've also played against teams that played poorly.  The Leafs  -- despite their record -- have not been playing very well, getting outshot;  they get under 20 shots on goal and somehow they still draw penalties.  There is definitely bias and you are a fool to deny it.

Now, all that said, the Sens should not be denying it, either.  The refs have it in for them so they have to play extra squeaky clean, and they simple have not.  

SeawaySensFan wrote:

LeKing wrote:DIdn't see obviously, but Anderson being 1st star after allowing 2 goals is not particularly sexy to me

Obviously. He was ridiculously good. 1 goal on a 5 on 3, by the way, after making numerous spectacular saves.

I'm guessing that without seeing, if Lehner were first star after letting in two the assumption would have been that he won the game single handedly.

Michallica wrote:Cowen and weircioch have both been atrocious, but I'm especially disappointed in cowen.  Basically he most dependable dman we got right now believe it or not is phillips.  There just doesn't seem to be any cohesion with any ofour d-pairings.

Give me Corvo next game over gryba.

Michallica wrote:

NEELY wrote:I will just assume the Sens played like garbage because they are coming off that major road swing out west and the 1st game back is the toughest.  That said the Sens were lucky to win this game in a big way.

Karlsson - Despite 3 points was brutal... I mean Karlsson rookie bad when he was bad.  Yah, he showed up on the score sheet but that 2nd goal was all on him, gave the puck away regularly, and was just generally not mentally into the game.  

Anderson - Simply amazing, nothing else needs to be said.  The reason the Sens won and nothing else.

Gryba - noticeably bad throughout the season so far but last night especially.  Maybe it's because of the system the devils play he did not look like an NHL player last night.

Cowen - Needs to move his feet, he's taking lazy, lazy penalties and 2 were last night.  

Ryan & Turris - Great games, both skating and dangerous all night.

Conacher - Solid effort, really liking his game right now.

Overall - STOP TAKING PENALTIES!  There wasn't one questionable call that went against the Sens last night, not one.  The Devils didn't deserve anymore than they received either.  MacLean needs to figure this out.

Special thanks to Martin Brodure, Sens don't win that game without him.

You missed spezza.  Thought he had a great game, and I'm not a spezza sympathizer.

LeKing wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

LeKing wrote:DIdn't see obviously, but Anderson being 1st star after allowing 2 goals is not particularly sexy to me

Obviously. He was ridiculously good. 1 goal on a 5 on 3, by the way, after making numerous spectacular saves.

I'm guessing that without seeing, if Lehner were first star after letting in two the assumption would have been that he won the game single handedly.

What I meant to say is that if even after allowing 2 goals he is the 1st star, I assume the Sens played like garbage.

I re-watched the game this morning, the defensive breakdowns happen too often and all our penalties are lazy. I thought Randy LEe was a god but we don't look in shape at all.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:Cowen and weircioch have both been atrocious, but I'm especially disappointed in cowen.  Basically he most dependable dman we got right now believe it or not is phillips.  There just doesn't seem to be any cohesion with any ofour d-pairings.

Give me Corvo next game over gryba.

What's so hard to believe? Nothing wrong with that guy except anyone over 29 has to go according to some people.  Scorevo is the shizz.

NEELY wrote:

Michallica wrote:

NEELY wrote:I will just assume the Sens played like garbage because they are coming off that major road swing out west and the 1st game back is the toughest.  That said the Sens were lucky to win this game in a big way.

Karlsson - Despite 3 points was brutal... I mean Karlsson rookie bad when he was bad.  Yah, he showed up on the score sheet but that 2nd goal was all on him, gave the puck away regularly, and was just generally not mentally into the game.  

Anderson - Simply amazing, nothing else needs to be said.  The reason the Sens won and nothing else.

Gryba - noticeably bad throughout the season so far but last night especially.  Maybe it's because of the system the devils play he did not look like an NHL player last night.

Cowen - Needs to move his feet, he's taking lazy, lazy penalties and 2 were last night.  

Ryan & Turris - Great games, both skating and dangerous all night.

Conacher - Solid effort, really liking his game right now.

Overall - STOP TAKING PENALTIES!  There wasn't one questionable call that went against the Sens last night, not one.  The Devils didn't deserve anymore than they received either.  MacLean needs to figure this out.

Special thanks to Martin Brodure, Sens don't win that game without him.

You missed spezza.  Thought he had a great game, and I'm not a spezza sympathizer.

Really solid.  Thought his line was a little off and they didn't do much but at the end of the game they did capitalize on all their chances and make the big plays when they had to.  Michalek struggled again though, no question.  Conacher was hard on the forecheck, made things happen for sure, Spezza played a fantastic 200 foot game and kept things REALLY simple when he had the puck.  Few times on the backcheck Spezza was the guy getting his stick in there and forcing the turn over and on the faceoffs he was dominate.

LeKing wrote:MacLean hiimself said the penalties are lazy penalties.
Enough with the Leafs conspiracy whatever.

LeKing wrote:MacLean hiimself said the penalties are lazy penalties.
Enough with the Leafs conspiracy whatever.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

LeKing wrote:MacLean hiimself said the penalties are lazy penalties.
Enough with the Leafs conspiracy whatever.

Never said that there weren't legit calls. Just saying that the blatant non-calls and the additional marginal calls are brutal and that the timing of many calls are suspect. That's just a fact.