Will the Sens be "all-in" on Zach Parise?

If it was a trade like Butler, 1st rounder (2012) Stone, Wiercoich for Ryan... good luck to any team trying to top that with the cap space to take Ryan.

NEELY wrote:
If Ottawa doesn't trade anyone in the top 6, Smith, of the 2 studs on the blue... they are fine. Silfverberg, Lehner, and Zibanejad are probably off limits too... probably Borowiecki

Ottawa has a 1st round draft pick, 2 3rds, Noesen, Peumpel, Stone, Weiroich, Gryba, Prince, Hoffman, Da Costa. On the current team Butler, Foligno (even though they should try and avoid that), Daugavins, those guys can all be moved. There is plently of assets to make a trade.

No way a star player goes back for any of Nash, Parise, or Ryan.

Whiel I agree that Cowen and Karlsson are 100% off limits, and so are Spezza, Michalek, Turris, I doubt we can land one of the big 3 in Anaheim without letting go of Z-Bad + 1st + something else of consequence. Maybe Puempel, maybe Noesen, but if I was Anaheim I'd ask for something a little better - like Cowen + 1st for Ryan + Sbisa. Which I would NOT do personally.

NEELY wrote:If it was a trade like Butler, 1st rounder (2012) Stone, Wiercoich for Ryan... good luck to any team trying to top that with the cap space to take Ryan.

I don't like that deal for Anaheim at all personally.

NEELY wrote:If it was a trade like Butler, 1st rounder (2012) Stone, Wiercoich for Ryan... good luck to any team trying to top that with the cap space to take Ryan.

That won't fly since Anaheim isn't blowing up and rebuilding. If Anaheim trades it would be for younger NHL players like Philly did with trading Richards and Carter. Butler sucks, a late 1st rounder, Stone (who is probably a year or two away from NHL duty) and Wiercioch (whose status is up in the year due to his injury) won't do it.

Anaheim will try and change the culture in their room like Philly did but they'll want to be contenders again next year. Trading for picks and prospects will not do it.

I propose:

Zibanejad
1st

for

Ryan

That's one of the only ways we're gonna pry him away IMO.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:If it was a trade like Butler, 1st rounder (2012) Stone, Wiercoich for Ryan... good luck to any team trying to top that with the cap space to take Ryan.

That won't fly since Anaheim isn't blowing up and rebuilding. If Anaheim trades it would be for younger NHL players like Philly did with trading Richards and Carter. Butler sucks, a late 1st rounder, Stone (who is probably a year or two away from NHL duty) and Wiercioch (whose status is up in the year due to his injury) won't do it.

Anaheim will try and change the culture in their room like Philly did but they'll want to be contenders again next year. Trading for picks and prospects will not do it.

They might not be blowing it up but they won't be getting a star player back either.

Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun

Spoke with Sens GM Bryan Murray this a.m., says if his team can continue what it's doing, he'll be looking to add come the trade deadline

But Murray says that this is a tough month for his team, lots of hockey to be played... Murray also lauded work of head coach Paul MacLean

Overall, Murray was clear in saying the overall plan hasn't changed, this is still about the Sens building a foundation through its youth

NEELY wrote:
They might not be blowing it up but they won't be getting a star player back either.

In that case they won't make the trade. I still don't see why they HAVE to deal Ryan unless there is some real friction in the room.

Is he finally sick of being called Silver by Getzlaf ?

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
They might not be blowing it up but they won't be getting a star player back either.

In that case they won't make the trade. I still don't see why they HAVE to deal Ryan unless there is some real friction in the room.

Is he finally sick of being called Silver by Getzlaf ?

I think there must be. I don't think those 3 are co-existing very well.

I see the 1st in 2013 as a chip in play. Since the Sens see themselves as being better next year, they would probably prefer to deal that pick than the 2012 1st rounder.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
They might not be blowing it up but they won't be getting a star player back either.

In that case they won't make the trade. I still don't see why they HAVE to deal Ryan unless there is some real friction in the room.

Is he finally sick of being called Silver by Getzlaf ?

I think there must be. I don't think those 3 are co-existing very well.

Well, let's see. Getlaf is an bunghole, Perry is an bunghole, and Ryan is American (and therefore an bunghole). So of course they are not coexisting. All three are Brian Burke-type players (bunghole).

dennycrane wrote:I see the 1st in 2013 as a chip in play. Since the Sens see themselves as being better next year, they would probably prefer to deal that pick than the 2012 1st rounder.

I still think the logistics are there for them to deal this 1st rounder - it has to be a young player under contract, but I think they might be looking for that. Or for a guy like Suter (if signed).

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
They might not be blowing it up but they won't be getting a star player back either.

In that case they won't make the trade. I still don't see why they HAVE to deal Ryan unless there is some real friction in the room.

Is he finally sick of being called Silver by Getzlaf ?

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Daily Debate: Buyers or sellers in Ottawa?
January, 11, 2012
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By Scott Burnside and Pierre LeBrun
Scott Burnside and Pierre LeBrun discuss whether the Ottawa Senators will alter their rebuilding strategy now that they are fighting for home ice in the playoffs, and what the Nashville Predators will do at the trade deadline.

Burnside: Good day, my friend. Well, it looks like there really is going to be a Battle of Ontario instead of the battle of the ragamuffins that has marked the collision of the Ottawa Senators and Toronto Maple Leafs the past couple of years. And is there any doubt that at this stage rookie Ottawa bench boss Paul MacLean has to be a finalist for the Jack Adams Trophy as coach of the year for the work he’s done in keeping the young Senators afloat? They still give up way too much in their own zone (notwithstanding last night’s 5-1 pasting of the descending, injury-ravaged Pittsburgh Penguins), ranking 27th in goals allowed per game. But they can light it up, ranking seventh in goals per game, and are on a roll with a 6-0-1 record in their past seven.

The most impressive thing for me is that a young team that you might imagine would fold once you got to the midpoint of the season is actually gaining confidence and playing better. No team has scored more third-period goals than the Senators, who woke up Wednesday in fifth place in the Eastern Conference, three points ahead of the sixth-place Leafs. They’re actually closer to the top of the conference than they are to ninth place. Go figure. Guess general manager Bryan Murray will have to get out his "buyer" sign at the trade deadline instead of the "seller" one he’s used the past couple of years.

LeBrun: I clearly remember chatting with Murray in September, and his honest outlook certainly did not call for the team to challenge for home ice in the playoffs. No one in the Senators' front office ever thought they’d be sitting here at the midway point.

"No, we didn’t," Murray told ESPN.com Wednesday morning.

But it’s a credit, the veteran GM said, to the leadership of captain Daniel Alfredsson as well as veterans Chris Phillips, Filip Kuba, Sergei Gonchar and Chris Neil. The vets on the team have shown the way for a club full of young legs. And goalie Craig Anderson gives the Senators a chance to win every night, Murray added. But let’s get to the heart of this: A young, rebuilding core has stepped up like nobody predicted.

"There’s no doubt our young guys have been real important," said the Sens GM. "Some of them played in Binghamton [AHL] last year and won a championship. I think there’s some real good value in that."

The offensive magic man on defense, Erik Karlsson, has "grown up a little bit more," and newly acquired center Kyle Turris has fit in well, Murray said.

And to your point, Scotty, MacLean deserves to take a bow. When a young team overachieves, the head coach is a big part of it.

"Paul and his staff have done a real good job," said Murray. "He’s given them a chance to play together and win. That’s a big part of what’s happening, too."

Burnside: During an early hot streak, I talked to MacLean about the learning curve, especially defensively for his young team. He had guys who had to learn to kill penalties at the NHL level, had to learn to defend at the NHL level, and it was a real challenge. They need to get better -- they’re 25th on the penalty kill -- if they’re going to turn a surprising first half into a surprise playoff berth, but it’s a terrific story for a team that looked to have little to celebrate this season outside of hosting the All-Star bash later this month.

Now, if you’re Murray, do you upset your rebuild plans and keep guys such as Kuba, who can become an unrestricted free agent this summer, and add some depth along the blue line at the deadline?

The Sens were 26th in payroll, so that’s not an issue, but it’s also risky to give up some of the young talent Murray has accumulated through sell-offs the past couple of years. What must be enticing for Murray is that the Eastern Conference is wide open beyond Boston and New York right now and finishing in the top five or six actually gives them a decent shot at winning a round, which would have been unthinkable during training camp.

LeBrun: I posed that very question to Murray and he admitted that if his team keeps winning, it will change his outlook for the trade deadline -- at least the one he had envisioned entering the season.

"Yes, if we continue to get wins over the next month or so, you want to give your players the best chance you can," Murray said.

The overall plan hasn’t changed; this is still about long-term stability and building through youth. The Senators have more young players who will push for jobs next season, including world junior championship hero Mika Zibanejad.

But if there’s something that can help the team that won’t cost too much before Feb. 27, the Senators might jump at it.

"I'd be wrong if I didn't think that some of these older guys on our team didn't deserve a chance to be helped going into the playoffs, if that's where we end up,'' Murray said.

Murray likes his blue line and said if he adds anything before the deadline, it’ll be up front.

"We’d probably be looking for a forward," Murray said.

Again, it all depends on how the Senators do over the next month. And that’s just the boat many teams find themselves in. Are they buyers or sellers? Take the Nashville Predators, for example. Right now, they’re in a playoff spot. But where they sit come the last week of February will certainly have a bearing on what they do with Ryan Suter, who still hasn’t signed a contract extension.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
They might not be blowing it up but they won't be getting a star player back either.

In that case they won't make the trade. I still don't see why they HAVE to deal Ryan unless there is some real friction in the room.

Is he finally sick of being called Silver by Getzlaf ?

I think there must be. I don't think those 3 are co-existing very well.

For all the drooling being done over these guys, something is definitely wrong. You have these 3 then you have Super Saku and Teemoo Salami, who are no slouches and the team sucks. No wonder they are being peddled.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
They might not be blowing it up but they won't be getting a star player back either.

In that case they won't make the trade. I still don't see why they HAVE to deal Ryan unless there is some real friction in the room.

Is he finally sick of being called Silver by Getzlaf ?

I think there must be. I don't think those 3 are co-existing very well.

For all the drooling being done over these guys, something is definitely wrong. You have these 3 then you have Super Saku and Teemoo Salami, who are no slouches and the team sucks. No wonder they are being peddled.

It all started when Pronger was traded and Neidermayer hung 'em up.

Then it continued with Hiller having terrible vertigo and never bouncing back really.

Then it got bent over when Bob Murray decided to be a fool and trade Gardner and Lupul for Beauchemin. Now...they look terrible on D and are scrambling around all the time.

That's why I could see Ryan going, but I'd be shocked if he went for a package of prospects and not a young D-man with considerable upside...like...I dunno as an example Marc Staal - not that that would happen, or I'm sure they want Cowen.

Burke did well in that Beachemin trade. In all honesty, Burke has made one bad trade (terrible actually) but the rest have been home runs. Phaneuf deal, Lupul + Gardiner, Cody Franson for who again????

Something is definitely up in Anaheim. That's practically the same team that went to the post season last year, minus Neidermeyer and Pronger. I guess Perry isn't in hart trophy mode.

Michallica wrote:
Something is definitely up in Anaheim. That's practically the same team that went to the post season last year, minus Neidermeyer and Pronger. I guess Perry isn't in hart trophy mode.

Their defence has been bad since Niedermayer and Pronger left and now Hiller isn't anywhere near as good as he used to be. Vishnovsky seems to have gone downhill as well.