3 STARS SELECTION + GDT: Ottawa Senators @ New York Rangers (Dec 5th, 2010)

shabbs wrote:Butler's final numbers:

Shifts: 17
TOI: 14:25
PP: 1:03
SH: 0:00
EV: 13:22
SOG: 0G: 0
A: 0
+/-: -1

Respectable.

well that's not good for a sniper. i understand it's his first game of the season, but he's going to have to try.

If he's a sniper, then part of the "blame" should go to his set-up man/men.

SpezDispenser wrote:Cuss you Clouston, you're being an idiot. Benching Regin for what? Playing too hard? Sit someone else like Shannon, Winchester, Ruutu, whatever, Regin played great last night. Stupid, I don't like Clouston's decision making lately.

Oh settle down, it needed to be done and was the right call. You don't sit Foligno because he hits and fore checks hard, and his been one of our better forwards lately. You don't sit Shannon because the guy works his Donkey of every shift. Ditto Winchester, who (with Foligno and Neil) was part of the best OTT line the night before. I could have understood benching Ruutu, but CC was clearly planning on putting OTT's best and most consistent line (Kelly, Ruutu, Neil) back together (the started the game together) -- and look how that worked out.

Regin has had a ton of games playing in the top 3. He hasn't produced a lot (1 goal in that span), and he's not the sort of guy who goes out and hits and fore checks hard -- so if he's not producing, it makes sense that he sits.

You're making much ado about not very much here.

Well, according to TSN, not only did Kelly score his first ever hattrick, as we know, but he did it on 3 shots

100% shooting for a hattrick!!!!

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Cuss you Clouston, you're being an idiot. Benching Regin for what? Playing too hard? Sit someone else like Shannon, Winchester, Ruutu, whatever, Regin played great last night. Stupid, I don't like Clouston's decision making lately.

Oh settle down, it needed to be done and was the right call. You don't sit Foligno because he hits and fore checks hard, and his been one of our better forwards lately. You don't sit Shannon because the guy works his Donkey of every shift. Ditto Winchester, who (with Foligno and Neil) was part of the best OTT line the night before. I could have understood benching Ruutu, but CC was clearly planning on putting OTT's best and most consistent line (Kelly, Ruutu, Neil) back together (the started the game together) -- and look how that worked out.

Regin has had a ton of games playing in the top 3. He hasn't produced a lot (1 goal in that span), and he's not the sort of guy who goes out and hits and fore checks hard -- so if he's not producing, it makes sense that he sits.

You're making much ado about not very much here.

Judging from the sig, a little bias is involved.

OK, though, who sits next time? Butler was buzzing in the first, but it's understandable if he slowed up after that, playing his third game in three days. With a couple of days off he'll be better in his next game, so I fully expect him to play again.

I thought Phillips started playing with a bit more confidence, so I'm off the "Sit Phillips" bandwagon -- not that I was really ever on it. I still wouldn't mind giving Kuba a rest, but if that means a Karlsson/Lee pairing then I'll just shut up right there.

Kelly scored a hattie, so can you break up his line to sit Ruutu? Maybe, why not? Put Kelly on the 2nd line.

What does everyone else think? Maybe we need a thread and poll?

Flo The Action wrote:well that's not good for a sniper. i understand it's his first game of the season, but he's going to have to try.

Would have been nice to see him get some shots on net, and even some points, but all things considered with the situation he was coming into, I have no complaints. He also had 0 PIM's.

Dash wrote:Well, according to TSN, not only did Kelly score his first ever hattrick, as we know, but he did it on 3 shots

100% shooting for a hattrick!!!!

And it was a natural hat trick.

EDIT: Ignore this sorely mistaken post. Coffee had not yet been consumed.

shabbs wrote:

Dash wrote:Well, according to TSN, not only did Kelly score his first ever hattrick, as we know, but he did it on 3 shots

100% shooting for a hattrick!!!!

And it was a natural hat trick.

Umm, no. Prust scored to tie it up 1-1.

rooneypoo wrote:You're making much ado about not very much here.

Agreed. If Butler is to get a chance to show what he can do, he needs to be in the Top 6. Clouston was looking to spark something. His list of people to sit was limited to wingers (ideally right wingers) in the Top 6 in order to give him the chance and to not force a juggling of all the lines. That list was limited to Regin and Michalek on the left side and Alfie and Kovalev on the right side. Sitting Foligno and putting Butler on the 3rd line would have been the wrong decision.

I am interested to see if Regin sits again. Not sure how long Butler will remain, but a win usually translates to: no changes in the lineup.

I would not be surprised if Regin sits a second game.

wprager wrote:

shabbs wrote:

Dash wrote:Well, according to TSN, not only did Kelly score his first ever hattrick, as we know, but he did it on 3 shots

100% shooting for a hattrick!!!!

And it was a natural hat trick.

Umm, no. Prust scored to tie it up 1-1.

Dagnabbit. Must have coffee before thinking.

shabbs wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:You're making much ado about not very much here.

Agreed. If Butler is to get a chance to show what he can do, he needs to be in the Top 6. Clouston was looking to spark something. His list of people to sit was limited to wingers (ideally left wingers) in the Top 6 in order to give him the chance and to not force a juggling of all the lines. That list was limited to Regin and Michalek on the left side and potentially Alfie and Kovalev on the other side. Sitting Foligno and putting Butler on the 3rd line would have been the wrong decision.

I am interested to see if Regin sits again. Not sure how long Butler will remain, but a win usually translates to: no changes in the lineup.

I would not be surprised if Regin sits a second game.

Butler is a right-winger. He was playing his off-side.

Take the discussion of whether Regin sits again over to the new thread I created

wprager wrote:

shabbs wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:You're making much ado about not very much here.

Agreed. If Butler is to get a chance to show what he can do, he needs to be in the Top 6. Clouston was looking to spark something. His list of people to sit was limited to wingers (ideally left wingers) in the Top 6 in order to give him the chance and to not force a juggling of all the lines. That list was limited to Regin and Michalek on the left side and potentially Alfie and Kovalev on the other side. Sitting Foligno and putting Butler on the 3rd line would have been the wrong decision.

I am interested to see if Regin sits again. Not sure how long Butler will remain, but a win usually translates to: no changes in the lineup.

I would not be surprised if Regin sits a second game.

Butler is a right-winger. He was playing his off-side.

Take the discussion of whether Regin sits again over to the new thread I created

Yeah, changed that shortly after posting.

I thought Leclaire played well. He seemed to play a simpler game and just focused on being in position and making the easy stops. I only recall a few times he did his trademark athletic reflex saves, much less than last year.

rooneypoo wrote:
Oh settle down, it needed to be done and was the right call. You don't sit Foligno because he hits and fore checks hard, and his been one of our better forwards lately. You don't sit Shannon because the guy works his Donkey of every shift. Ditto Winchester, who (with Foligno and Neil) was part of the best OTT line the night before. I could have understood benching Ruutu, but CC was clearly planning on putting OTT's best and most consistent line (Kelly, Ruutu, Neil) back together (the started the game together) -- and look how that worked out.

Regin has had a ton of games playing in the top 3. He hasn't produced a lot (1 goal in that span), and he's not the sort of guy who goes out and hits and fore checks hard -- so if he's not producing, it makes sense that he sits.

You're making much ado about not very much here.

Oh Roon. I know all that, it's damn lucky for Clouston it all worked out though, benching a young player for not working hard enough is one thing, benching a young player because he's not scoring despite the effort is quite another.

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:
Oh settle down, it needed to be done and was the right call. You don't sit Foligno because he hits and fore checks hard, and his been one of our better forwards lately. You don't sit Shannon because the guy works his Donkey of every shift. Ditto Winchester, who (with Foligno and Neil) was part of the best OTT line the night before. I could have understood benching Ruutu, but CC was clearly planning on putting OTT's best and most consistent line (Kelly, Ruutu, Neil) back together (the started the game together) -- and look how that worked out.

Regin has had a ton of games playing in the top 3. He hasn't produced a lot (1 goal in that span), and he's not the sort of guy who goes out and hits and fore checks hard -- so if he's not producing, it makes sense that he sits.

You're making much ado about not very much here.

Oh Roon. I know all that, it's damn lucky for Clouston it all worked out though, benching a young player for not working hard enough is one thing, benching a young player because he's not scoring despite the effort is quite another.

If you knew all that, then you shouldn't have posted that other inane comment.

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:
Oh settle down, it needed to be done and was the right call. You don't sit Foligno because he hits and fore checks hard, and his been one of our better forwards lately. You don't sit Shannon because the guy works his Donkey of every shift. Ditto Winchester, who (with Foligno and Neil) was part of the best OTT line the night before. I could have understood benching Ruutu, but CC was clearly planning on putting OTT's best and most consistent line (Kelly, Ruutu, Neil) back together (the started the game together) -- and look how that worked out.

Regin has had a ton of games playing in the top 3. He hasn't produced a lot (1 goal in that span), and he's not the sort of guy who goes out and hits and fore checks hard -- so if he's not producing, it makes sense that he sits.

You're making much ado about not very much here.

Oh Roon. I know all that, it's damn lucky for Clouston it all worked out though, benching a young player for not working hard enough is one thing, benching a young player because he's not scoring despite the effort is quite another.

If you knew all that, then you shouldn't have posted that other inane comment.

Why was he benched then? Because he's not scoring or because he wasn't competing hard enough? If it was lack of scoring then Foligno should have been benched, because CLEARLY Regin is the better two-way player.

Like I said earlier, SD's sig is the culprit. He's got to "defend" it daily

And for the record, I don't like what I'm seeing from Clouston this year. I hope it's just growing pains, I assume it is, but he hasn't done a good job this year at all IMO.