Senators send Karlsson To Bingo

I wonder how different this would have been had Kuba not been injured and played along side Karlsson the whole time.

They bounced right back against Boston though. Fact of the matter is Carkner and Picard have outplayed Karlsson and Campoli (more so Campoli than anyone) and a choice had to be made.

Karlsson sitting in the stands does no one any good, lets face that fact. I get why it was done and I understand like I said, but for Karlsson, I still think it was BS what happend to him on every level. He's gonna have to deal with that and that will actually make him a better player as well... I hope, otherwise they crushed him and his confidence for a long time.

N4L wrote:Because of that Kuba injury, they basically trough the kid under the bus. They brought Ohlund in for Hedman, they brough O'Donald in for Doughtey, they paired Shenn with Kaberle last year, and who does Karlsson get? Campoli, come on.

Karlsson did well with what he was given and improved every game and was actually becoming an effective player on a lot of levels.

I have to agree with you completely there. I don't get how or why he was paired with Campoli, that was a head scratcher. But at the same time, there is no way we can split up Philly and A-Train, they've been lights out amazing this season, we need them to stay together. I would have loved to have seen Karlsson play with Kuba in a real NHL game, they were awesome together in pre-season. Campoli wasn't quite ready to be the rock that Karlsson needed him to be, Kuba is.

N4L wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:I do believe that Carkner would have to clear waivers if he was sent down now and would easily get picked off based on his play this year. And its about time that Karlsson was sent down. It would give him time to learn the American side of the game without the high expectations of playing at the NHL level.

The North American game he diminated last year at the WJC's? People gotta stop recycling the crap they hear from each other or convince each other of.

The NA game isnt the issue, the speed and size of the players is. He's not going to learn anything in The AHL of any signifigance, but you cant having him sitting in the press box either, that's the decision they were faced with. Add on the cap savings, one extra year on his ELC, it's a pretty simple decision in retrospect, but the not ready for the NHL is BS and it's only coming from the fans, not the coaches or managment.

Personally I think its best for both him and the team. When I say the NA game its about the speed and size of the players. He will benefit from this and it will make him a better player in the long run regardless if he was ready which I dont he was completely ready. If either Campoli and Picard fall flat it you can bet Murray will be bringing Karlsson back up.

SDH89 wrote:Disappointed, I thought Karlsson would break out having Kuba back with him.

Any chance Bingo lets him play for Sweden at the WJ's?

100% he will. Sweden just caught a HUGE break and he will captain that team, garenteed.

shabbs wrote:I wonder how different this would have been had Kuba not been injured and played along side Karlsson the whole time.

I'll go ahead and say that he would still be here right now and he'd have more than 3 points and would be a plus player.

Phoenix30 wrote:

N4L wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:I do believe that Carkner would have to clear waivers if he was sent down now and would easily get picked off based on his play this year. And its about time that Karlsson was sent down. It would give him time to learn the American side of the game without the high expectations of playing at the NHL level.

The North American game he diminated last year at the WJC's? People gotta stop recycling the crap they hear from each other or convince each other of.

The NA game isnt the issue, the speed and size of the players is. He's not going to learn anything in The AHL of any signifigance, but you cant having him sitting in the press box either, that's the decision they were faced with. Add on the cap savings, one extra year on his ELC, it's a pretty simple decision in retrospect, but the not ready for the NHL is BS and it's only coming from the fans, not the coaches or managment.

Personally I think its best for both him and the team. When I say the NA game its about the speed and size of the players. He will benefit from this and it will make him a better player in the long run regardless if he was ready which I dont he was completely ready. If either Campoli and Picard fall flat it you can bet Murray will be bringing Karlsson back up.

The speed is no faster in the AHL as it is in Sweden (probably slower) or the WJC where he was the best of the best and there are a few guys from that tourny and his team now in The NHL.

Dont fool yourself, this move was 100% based on what's good for The Sens now, not Karlsson.

Karlsson won tbe coming back otherwise they would have paired him with Kuba to see how he plays with a good partner, not Campoli. This saves an year on his ELC and Brian Lee is def next in line unless Derek Smith is outplaying him in Bingo where he might get a game or two if injuries happen. Lee sounds like he is sucking up the joint in Bingo by the sounds of things anyways.

SensGirl11 wrote:

N4L wrote:Because of that Kuba injury, they basically trough the kid under the bus. They brought Ohlund in for Hedman, they brough O'Donald in for Doughtey, they paired Shenn with Kaberle last year, and who does Karlsson get? Campoli, come on.

Karlsson did well with what he was given and improved every game and was actually becoming an effective player on a lot of levels.

I have to agree with you completely there. I don't get how or why he was paired with Campoli, that was a head scratcher. But at the same time, there is no way we can split up Philly and A-Train, they've been lights out amazing this season, we need them to stay together. I would have loved to have seen Karlsson play with Kuba in a real NHL game, they were awesome together in pre-season. Campoli wasn't quite ready to be the rock that Karlsson needed him to be, Kuba is.

Campoli sucks, but you're right on all levels there. You also cant break up Picard/Carkner either, they have been just as good in terms of their roes as Phillips and A Train were.

It just happens Kuba comes back on Karlsson 10th game... bad timing for the kid. Everything this year worked against Karlsson, timing, luck, situation, everything.

Karlsson has every right to be pissed about this after Murray stating that Karlsson was going nowhere. Why did he even say that? That's poor from from Murray to be honest.

SensGirl11 wrote:

shabbs wrote:I wonder how different this would have been had Kuba not been injured and played along side Karlsson the whole time.

I'll go ahead and say that he would still be here right now and he'd have more than 3 points and would be a plus player.

Nah, Picard and Carkner have been unexpected suprises, Karlsson gets the shaft because of everything around him. The one guy that has to show he is worth something is Campoli... I'll be expecting big things from him as should The Sens, everyone here, and anyone that cheers for that team.

They gave up a 1st rounder for him, the sent a 1st rounder to the minors for him... he hasnt been worth a fraction of that to this point.

shabbs wrote:Karlsson has every right to be pissed about this after Murray stating that Karlsson was going nowhere. Why did he even say that? That's poor from from Murray to be honest.

The move was made for The Ottawa Senators, I get it... if this team misses out on the playoffs though, haha, WOW, SHlT WILL HIT THE FAN!

N4L wrote:

shabbs wrote:Karlsson has every right to be pissed about this after Murray stating that Karlsson was going nowhere. Why did he even say that? That's poor from from Murray to be honest.

The move was made for The Ottawa Senators, I get it... if this team misses out on the playoffs though, haha, WOW, SHlT WILL HIT THE FAN!

I just hope Karlsson can be the bigger man and not take this too personally.

N4L wrote:
The move was made for The Ottawa Senators, I get it... if this team misses out on the playoffs though, haha, WOW, SHlT WILL HIT THE FAN!

It would have regardless of whether we sent Karlsson back or not. If this team misses the playoffs there will be hell to pay from Uncle Eugene, and while that's not entirely fair, that's life.

asq2 wrote:He knows how to do all that, Spez. He needs to learn how to do it in the speed of the NHL game.

His NHL decision-making isn't going to improve in the AHL.

I think they should have sent him down five games ago, waited 'til Kuba was ready to go and then brought him up to play with Kuba.

Karlsson wasn't completely ready, but he was given very little chance to succeed IMO.

I understand, but I'm a little irked.

After reading through the comments thus far, this one sums it up for me.  I get it but I'm a little worried Karlsson will suffer for the benefit of the team.  From the article, it didn't sound like he had any idea it was coming...mistake made by Murray, no doubt.  I'm not sure why he or Clouston wouldn't have been talking to him regularly about what could potentially be happening to him.  This comes out of left field after promises were made.  I hope he gets over it quickly and focuses on the positives but numbers aside, this move makes little sense.The only other option I see is Murray is hoping Picard/Campoli takes this vote of confidence and plays at a higher level, Murray finds a trade and Karlsson comes back up (I'd say odds are slim to none of that happening).

The pressure on Picard/Carkner/Campoli just became two fold. Those 3 better play better then they have been playing, they better be lights all for most of the year.

Ill be ranting every night about Campoli if he doesnt have a good game about 90% of the time.

Vandelay wrote:

asq2 wrote:He knows how to do all that, Spez. He needs to learn how to do it in the speed of the NHL game.

His NHL decision-making isn't going to improve in the AHL.

I think they should have sent him down five games ago, waited 'til Kuba was ready to go and then brought him up to play with Kuba.

Karlsson wasn't completely ready, but he was given very little chance to succeed IMO.

I understand, but I'm a little irked.

After reading through the comments thus far, this one sums it up for me. I get it but I'm a little worried Karlsson will suffer for the benefit of the team. From the article, it didn't sound like he had any idea it was coming...mistake made by Murray, no doubt. I'm not sure why he or Clouston wouldn't have been talking to him regularly about what could potentially be happening to him. This comes out of left field after promises were made. I hope he gets over it quickly and focuses on the positives but numbers aside, this move makes little sense.The only other option I see is Murray is hoping Picard/Campoli takes this vote of confidence and plays at a higher level, Murray finds a trade and Karlsson comes back up (I'd say odds are slim to none of that happening).

Maybe Picard gets dealt, but thats about it...

Phoenix30 wrote:

N4L wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:I do believe that Carkner would have to clear waivers if he was sent down now and would easily get picked off based on his play this year. And its about time that Karlsson was sent down. It would give him time to learn the American side of the game without the high expectations of playing at the NHL level.

The North American game he diminated last year at the WJC's? People gotta stop recycling the crap they hear from each other or convince each other of.

The NA game isnt the issue, the speed and size of the players is. He's not going to learn anything in The AHL of any signifigance, but you cant having him sitting in the press box either, that's the decision they were faced with. Add on the cap savings, one extra year on his ELC, it's a pretty simple decision in retrospect, but the not ready for the NHL is BS and it's only coming from the fans, not the coaches or managment.

I look at Lee as an example of how much the AHL actually helps development.  In my opinion, Lee looks best after he's played some games in the NHL (the end of last year, for example).  He's played enough time in the AHL by now and although he's matured and grown into his body, I'm not sure the AHL has helped him all that much as a player.  

Personally I think its best for both him and the team. When I say the NA game its about the speed and size of the players. He will benefit from this and it will make him a better player in the long run regardless if he was ready which I dont he was completely ready. If either Campoli and Picard fall flat it you can bet Murray will be bringing Karlsson back up.

I look at Lee as an example of how much the AHL actually helps development. In my opinion, Lee looks best after he's played some games in the NHL (the end of last year, for example). He's played enough time in the AHL by now and although he's matured and grown into his body, I'm not sure the AHL has helped him all that much as a player.  

SensGirl11 wrote:

N4L wrote:Because of that Kuba injury, they basically trough the kid under the bus. They brought Ohlund in for Hedman, they brough O'Donald in for Doughtey, they paired Shenn with Kaberle last year, and who does Karlsson get? Campoli, come on.

Karlsson did well with what he was given and improved every game and was actually becoming an effective player on a lot of levels.

I have to agree with you completely there. I don't get how or why he was paired with Campoli, that was a head scratcher. But at the same time, there is no way we can split up Philly and A-Train, they've been lights out amazing this season, we need them to stay together. I would have loved to have seen Karlsson play with Kuba in a real NHL game, they were awesome together in pre-season. Campoli wasn't quite ready to be the rock that Karlsson needed him to be, Kuba is.

I'm not sure Campoli will ever be the rock Karlsson needed him to be.