Senators send Karlsson To Bingo

cloverleaf wrote:This will be good for his maturation as a player. He hasn't shown any poise at all for someone who is supposed to be full of it. Gain your confidence back in bingo kid.

Ya, none... watch a game.

MurderOnIce wrote:

ElliottRules wrote:Wow is all I can say. Is this because he is the only one that they can send down now that Kuba is coming back and Carkner has signed a 1-way?

Carkner is on a two-way for the remainder of this year but he brings an element we don't have.

Showboating?

He needs some time to run Bingo's PP and boost his confidence a little. From what I saw in Ottawa, I saw glimpses of a special player, but he's nowhere near being ready yet. Nowhere near IMO. If this helps him to get to that place where we need him to be sooner, then I'm all for it.

I'm definitely not upset or mad. Murray and co. are as high on this guy as they've ever been, they just want to ensure he gets the correct amount of development.

cloverleaf wrote:This will be good for his maturation as a player. He hasn't shown any poise at all for someone who is supposed to be full of it. Gain your confidence back in bingo kid.

Not enough, no. He'll benefit from this I would imagine.

N4L wrote:Well, Campoli better play lights out because he's the one who truly doesnt deserve to be there. Him and Shannon have a lot to prove if they stay in the lineup.

Shocked about this, but I guess the two way contract and ELC is what made the difference. He wont be back in Ottawa this year, garenteed.

Clouston better make the playoffs now because this move was about the now, not the future.

Campoli will be dealt to Pittsburgh as part of a package for Jordan Staal.

N4L wrote:I wouldnt keep Karlsson over Carkner at this point for that reason, 2 way or not. Campoli is the guy that has to prove his worth now because that's who they opened up the spot for.

Like I said, it's playoff or bust now for this team and thats the minumum expectation Sens fans should have for this team.

Oh come on Neely... You're upset, that's fair, but you're smart enough about hockey to realize that this is probably the best move right now. Shannon's a 600K player who was amazing under Clouston last year, give that little man a break. As for Campoli, I agree, it's now or never for him to put up, but I've liked his game more and more as the season has progressed.

Playoffs or bust....you funny.

This was more then "him not being ready". It was to save cap space, give the kid ice time obviously, but he is going to be making those same mistakes next year that he would make this year. He's going to be able to cheat with the abilities he has down in The AHL.

His size was a factor though, not in the sense he couldnt handle himself, just the fact he isnt strong enough right now.

Campoli better be lights out and Shannon better take a sit now because Karlsson was playing better then Campoli and Donovan is a better player and more effective than Shannon.

Clears things up in Ottawa a bit and I get and understand the move, but they better make the playoffs now and challenge for the division because these moves really are for the present team.

I thought he stood to benefit more from learning to play within the speed of the NHL game. He's not going to get any stronger playing in Bingo.

This move is about the team. So I'm in agreement with Neely on this one, Campoli's gotta step up.

The only thing that pisses me off about Shannon is that he was playing PP minutes on the POINT!!! that should have gone to Karlsson.

N4L wrote:This was more then "him not being ready". It was to save cap space, give the kid ice time obviously, but he is going to be making those same mistakes next year that he would make this year. He's going to be able to cheat with the abilities he has down in The AHL.

His size was a factor though, not in the sense he couldnt handle himself, just the fact he isnt strong enough right now.

Campoli better be lights out and Shannon better take a sit now because Karlsson was playing better then Campoli and Donovan is a better player and more effective than Shannon.

Clears things up in Ottawa a bit and I get and understand the move, but they better make the playoffs now and challenge for the division because these moves really are for the present team.

I would argue that these moves are for the future of the team. Karlsson is close to being NHL ready - he might already be actually - but he needs to learn when to give 'er and when to hold back, when to try to outlet bomb pass, when to use the boards, when to shoot on a PP, when to draw traffic away and pass, when to take a hit, when to get the F out of the way. How to take a hit, the list is endless of things he's good at, but not yet where he needs to be at this level. I was a little nervous that this wasn't gonna help him at all, but I kept thinking that this was the NHL and that there no bad development here.

Karlsson is our future stud on the blue line, this move was made way more for the future than the now.

SeawaySensFan wrote:The only thing that pisses me off about Shannon is that he was playing PP minutes on the POINT!!! that should have gone to Karlsson.

Me too. That was Clouston's decision - and I thought it was an odd one. Sounds like it's gonna be Alfie and Kuba now on PP1, that's a lot better.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:I wouldnt keep Karlsson over Carkner at this point for that reason, 2 way or not. Campoli is the guy that has to prove his worth now because that's who they opened up the spot for.

Like I said, it's playoff or bust now for this team and thats the minumum expectation Sens fans should have for this team.

Oh come on Neely... You're upset, that's fair, but you're smart enough about hockey to realize that this is probably the best move right now. Shannon's a 600K player who was amazing under Clouston last year, give that little man a break. As for Campoli, I agree, it's now or never for him to put up, but I've liked his game more and more as the season has progressed.

Playoffs or bust....you funny.

You keep brining up last year with Shannon? That was before his concussion this year, before he got his way deal, and before we had tons of depth. I get you like him but there is no possible way to justify is spot in the game day lineup at this point. None.

This is the best move for RIGHT NOW, which I get and understand, but this is now a signal they are going for some success this year and not so much a building year anymore.

If the plan is to bring up Karlsson, Cowen, Wierchoich, and Lee together, then alright, I can buy that, but I'm not buying he wasnt ready, he was and it was pretty evident in that Boston game he was. He got better every game, was the best PP QB we had so far this year, and he was getting more and more confident. Just dont hand me the "he wasnt ready" arguement.

100% the last we see of the kid this year though. He wont be back and Lee will be the callup if someone goes down. Picard also better keep up this pace and keep playing well as well because to his credit, he stole that 6th job from Karlsson and he has been better, but he needs to keep it up.

asq2 wrote:I thought he stood to benefit more from learning to play within the speed of the NHL game. He's not going to get any stronger playing in Bingo.

This move is about the team. So I'm in agreement with Neely on this one, Campoli's gotta step up.

Really? You don't think he's still got a tonne to learn and that possibly the AHL might be the better place to learn it?

He knows how to do all that, Spez. He needs to learn how to do it in the speed of the NHL game.

His NHL decision-making isn't going to improve in the AHL.

I think they should have sent him down five games ago, waited 'til Kuba was ready to go and then brought him up to play with Kuba.

Karlsson wasn't completely ready, but he was given very little chance to succeed IMO.

I understand, but I'm a little irked.

He needs to learn how to win puck battles and the AHL is a good training ground for that IMO. Plus he will see a ton of ice. Not bad really.

asq2 wrote:I thought he stood to benefit more from learning to play within the speed of the NHL game. He's not going to get any stronger playing in Bingo.

This move is about the team. So I'm in agreement with Neely on this one, Campoli's gotta step up.

Exactly. I get the cap space being saved, I get the more ice time arguement, so on and on, but his 2 way and entry level worked against him and like I said, Picard stepped in and stole that 6th spot, that's a credit to him which isnt bad for The Sens or Picard himself.

Campoli better be lights out from her on out because that's the guy who got a 2nd chance here.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:The only thing that pisses me off about Shannon is that he was playing PP minutes on the POINT!!! that should have gone to Karlsson.

Me too. That was Clouston's decision - and I thought it was an odd one. Sounds like it's gonna be Alfie and Kuba now on PP1, that's a lot better.

I still don't get how Clouston lets them work on the outside for the WHOLE powerplay and not do SOMETHING. It's Diddled up.

Anyhow, I don't mind seeing Karlsson go to Bingo just like I was pleased with the decision to send Winchester there for conditioning. It will make us a better team that much quicker.

SpezDispenser wrote:

asq2 wrote:I thought he stood to benefit more from learning to play within the speed of the NHL game. He's not going to get any stronger playing in Bingo.

This move is about the team. So I'm in agreement with Neely on this one, Campoli's gotta step up.

Really? You don't think he's still got a tonne to learn and that possibly the AHL might be the better place to learn it?

He's shown he can play in the NA rinks in the Juniors.

What does he have to learn? His decision-making has to get faster and he's got to improve defensively - both of these may come somewhat in the AHL but the NHL's speed is way different and that's been the biggest stumbling block so far.

He has to get bigger and stronger as well, as we all knew, but that won't happen no matter where he's playing.

On the other hand, Team Sweden's junior team collectively crapped their pants at this move.