Senators send Karlsson To Bingo

Interesting points Asq and Neely. If there's one thing I would have liked to see it's Karlsson and Kuba back together again. I think it's a little ironic that Kuba's coming back just as Karlsson is being sent to Bingo. However, I don't feel as strongly as you two that Karlsson was ready, so I'm neither here nor there really.

Phoenix30 wrote:I do believe that Carkner would have to clear waivers if he was sent down now and would easily get picked off based on his play this year. And its about time that Karlsson was sent down. It would give him time to learn the American side of the game without the high expectations of playing at the NHL level.

The North American game he diminated last year at the WJC's? People gotta stop recycling the crap they hear from each other or convince each other of.

The NA game isnt the issue, the speed and size of the players is. He's not going to learn anything in The AHL of any signifigance, but you cant having him sitting in the press box either, that's the decision they were faced with. Add on the cap savings, one extra year on his ELC, it's a pretty simple decision in retrospect, but the not ready for the NHL is BS and it's only coming from the fans, not the coaches or managment.

jamvan wrote:What a terrible decision. Send hom back to Sweden if anything. I have to say I don't agree with this decision.

Sweden would have hurt way more than it would have helped IMO.

jamvan wrote:

N4L wrote:Well, Campoli better play lights out because he's the one who truly doesnt deserve to be there. Him and Shannon have a lot to prove if they stay in the lineup.

Shocked about this, but I guess the two way contract and ELC is what made the difference. He wont be back in Ottawa this year, garenteed.

Clouston better make the playoffs now because this move was about the now, not the future.

What a terrible decision. Send hom back to Sweden if anything. I have to say I don't agree with this decision.

I don't see how Sweden would be better than Bingo as far as "improving his game". He'll get mad minutes down in Bingo and can work on the details of his game as much as possible. He was losing battles all over the place and perhaps the mintues in Bingo with the NA game will help to hone that.

This also saves a year on his ELC so I'm sure that was a big factor too.

jamvan wrote:

N4L wrote:Well, Campoli better play lights out because he's the one who truly doesnt deserve to be there. Him and Shannon have a lot to prove if they stay in the lineup.

Shocked about this, but I guess the two way contract and ELC is what made the difference. He wont be back in Ottawa this year, garenteed.

Clouston better make the playoffs now because this move was about the now, not the future.

What a terrible decision. Send hom back to Sweden if anything. I have to say I don't agree with this decision.

Sending him back to Sweden is a big no/no and could be regressive. I get why they did it, I just dont agree with it. Rather it be The AHL then Sweden for the simple fact he will be playing with guys who are in The Senators organization and you want to make sure he is 100% comfortable on that NA ice, that international ice is a bad idea at this point.

Campoli better be lights, frigging out ALL YEAR.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Senators+demote+Karlsson/2150705/story.html

Here's the story.

SpezDispenser wrote:

jamvan wrote:What a terrible decision. Send hom back to Sweden if anything. I have to say I don't agree with this decision.

Sweden would have hurt way more than it would have helped IMO.

OK, so let him report to a Dung league and ride the bus. How he goes from the #3 defenceman to Bingo is not right. If anything Campoli or Picard should have been sent.

N4L wrote:

jamvan wrote:

N4L wrote:Well, Campoli better play lights out because he's the one who truly doesnt deserve to be there. Him and Shannon have a lot to prove if they stay in the lineup.

Shocked about this, but I guess the two way contract and ELC is what made the difference. He wont be back in Ottawa this year, garenteed.

Clouston better make the playoffs now because this move was about the now, not the future.

What a terrible decision. Send hom back to Sweden if anything. I have to say I don't agree with this decision.

Sending him back to Sweden is a big no/no and could be regressive. I get why they did it, I just dont agree with it. Rather it be The AHL then Sweden for the simple fact he will be playing with guys who are in The Senators organization and you want to make sure he is 100% comfortable on that NA ice, that international ice is a bad idea at this point.

Campoli better be lights, frigging out ALL YEAR.

I can partially agree I guess, teh AHL is a Dung league though. I hope he lights it up there. I feel bad for the kid though.

I agree, Campoli better step up big time and be told to do so.

jamvan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

jamvan wrote:What a terrible decision. Send hom back to Sweden if anything. I have to say I don't agree with this decision.

Sweden would have hurt way more than it would have helped IMO.

OK, so let him report to a Dung league and ride the bus. How he goes from the #3 defenceman to Bingo is not right. If anything Campoli or Picard should have been sent.

Two factors played VERY heavily into this:
- two-way contract
- saving a year on his ELC

Neither of which Picard or Campoli have.

In a cap world, those are HUGE factors.

If one more person says this was a decision for Karlsson over what was best for the current Sens roster, Im going to go off on them. This has nothing to do with the way Karlsson was playing or progressing.

1. Picard stepped up when paired with Carkner and those two became a really solid 5/6 pairing who proved they can play with anyone. No one saw that coming and that hurt Karlsson's spot on the team.

2. You can't sit a 19 year old kid in the press box, that would piss me off more then sending him down to Bingo. That's common sense.

3. He's 1.4 mil on the cap and the savings could be benifical down the line. Not to mention this saves a year on his ELC.

Those are the reason's, him not being ready isnt. The move that made the most sense for The Sens as they are was to send Karlsson down. I dont think it was the right move for Karlsson at all, but I dont think it will hurt him, it just wont help him.

Now, Picard better be lights out all year long now and keep it up with Carkner, I think they will. A lot of chemistry there. Campoli better start doing something and show he isnt just some midget Italian on the blueline who skates well.

jamvan wrote:OK, so let him report to a Dung league and ride the bus. How he goes from the #3 defenceman to Bingo is not right. If anything Campoli or Picard should have been sent.

Lots of great players have come up from the AHL. There are a lot of great potential players there right now, it's not the greatest of leagues, but it's definitely not a Dung league. Karlsson was only the number 3 D-man here by default. Campoli sucked to start the year, Picard sucks period but is showing flashes of putting it together and Carkner's your perfect 5 or 6 guy.

I do concur that I would have preferred to see Picard waived or sat and Karlsson play with Kuba though. That would have made a massive difference in Karlsson's game.

SpezDispenser wrote:http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Senators+demote+Karlsson/2150705/story.html

Here's the story.

Well no Dung, he left his family and friends is Sweden for a spot that was basically promised to him by Murray... who wouldnt be pissed. That will help the kid going forward though, I'll say that. A little adversity doesnt hurt anyone.

He wasnt the worst player on that blueline though but such is life as a teenage in The NHL. He def got shafted here considering what he gave up back home.

jamvan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

jamvan wrote:What a terrible decision. Send hom back to Sweden if anything. I have to say I don't agree with this decision.

Sweden would have hurt way more than it would have helped IMO.

OK, so let him report to a Dung league and ride the bus. How he goes from the #3 defenceman to Bingo is not right. If anything Campoli or Picard should have been sent.

Picard stepped in and was lights out for the most part man, I cant agree there. Kuba got hurt, Picard picked up that ball and ran hard, Im pissed about Karlsson too but gotta give Picard some credit there.

As for Campoli, I agree 100% but he's on a one way deal and if he can have a monster year with Kuba he gets dealt, if he doesnt, he doesnt get resigned.

N4L wrote:If one more person says this was a decision for Karlsson over what was best for the current Sens roster, Im going to go off on them. This has nothing to do with the way Karlsson was playing or progressing.

1. Picard stepped up when paired with Carkner and those two became a really solid 5/6 pairing who proved they can play with anyone. No one saw that coming and that hurt Karlsson's spot on the team.

2. You can't sit a 19 year old kid in the press box, that would piss me off more then sending him down to Bingo. That's common sense.

3. He's 1.4 mil on the cap and the savings could be benifical down the line. Not to mention this saves a year on his ELC.

Those are the reason's, him not being ready isnt. The move that made the most sense for The Sens as they are was to send Karlsson down. I dont think it was the right move for Karlsson at all, but I dont think it will hurt him, it just wont help him.

Now, Picard better be lights out all year long now and keep it up with Carkner, I think they will. A lot of chemistry there. Campoli better start doing something and show he isnt just some midget Italian on the blueline who skates well.

Except for the Nashville game where Picard and Carkner cost us the game. The season is still far too early to be annointing these two guys.

Anyway, in teh end I think this paves the way to Murray picking up a big name d-man at the deadline.

I just liked watching this kid play, despite the size disadvantage.

Disappointed, I thought Karlsson would break out having Kuba back with him.

Any chance Bingo lets him play for Sweden at the WJ's?

I wonder how different this would have been had Kuba not been injured and played along side Karlsson the whole time.

They bounced right back against Boston though. Fact of the matter is Carkner and Picard have outplayed Karlsson and Campoli (more so Campoli than anyone) and a choice had to be made.

Karlsson sitting in the stands does no one any good, lets face that fact. I get why it was done and I understand like I said, but for Karlsson, I still think it was BS what happend to him on every level. He's gonna have to deal with that and that will actually make him a better player as well... I hope, otherwise they crushed him and his confidence for a long time.

N4L wrote:Because of that Kuba injury, they basically trough the kid under the bus. They brought Ohlund in for Hedman, they brough O'Donald in for Doughtey, they paired Shenn with Kaberle last year, and who does Karlsson get? Campoli, come on.

Karlsson did well with what he was given and improved every game and was actually becoming an effective player on a lot of levels.

I have to agree with you completely there. I don't get how or why he was paired with Campoli, that was a head scratcher. But at the same time, there is no way we can split up Philly and A-Train, they've been lights out amazing this season, we need them to stay together. I would have loved to have seen Karlsson play with Kuba in a real NHL game, they were awesome together in pre-season. Campoli wasn't quite ready to be the rock that Karlsson needed him to be, Kuba is.