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76Senators send Karlsson To Bingo - Page 6 Empty Re: Senators send Karlsson To Bingo Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:33 pm

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Vandelay wrote:
asq2 wrote:He knows how to do all that, Spez. He needs to learn how to do it in the speed of the NHL game.

His NHL decision-making isn't going to improve in the AHL.

I think they should have sent him down five games ago, waited 'til Kuba was ready to go and then brought him up to play with Kuba.

Karlsson wasn't completely ready, but he was given very little chance to succeed IMO.

I understand, but I'm a little irked.
After reading through the comments thus far, this one sums it up for me. I get it but I'm a little worried Karlsson will suffer for the benefit of the team. From the article, it didn't sound like he had any idea it was coming...mistake made by Murray, no doubt. I'm not sure why he or Clouston wouldn't have been talking to him regularly about what could potentially be happening to him. This comes out of left field after promises were made. I hope he gets over it quickly and focuses on the positives but numbers aside, this move makes little sense.The only other option I see is Murray is hoping Picard/Campoli takes this vote of confidence and plays at a higher level, Murray finds a trade and Karlsson comes back up (I'd say odds are slim to none of that happening).

Maybe Picard gets dealt, but thats about it...

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Phoenix30 wrote:
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Phoenix30 wrote:I do believe that Carkner would have to clear waivers if he was sent down now and would easily get picked off based on his play this year. And its about time that Karlsson was sent down. It would give him time to learn the American side of the game without the high expectations of playing at the NHL level.

The North American game he diminated last year at the WJC's? People gotta stop recycling the crap they hear from each other or convince each other of.

The NA game isnt the issue, the speed and size of the players is. He's not going to learn anything in The AHL of any signifigance, but you cant having him sitting in the press box either, that's the decision they were faced with. Add on the cap savings, one extra year on his ELC, it's a pretty simple decision in retrospect, but the not ready for the NHL is BS and it's only coming from the fans, not the coaches or managment.
I look at Lee as an example of how much the AHL actually helps development.  In my opinion, Lee looks best after he's played some games in the NHL (the end of last year, for example).  He's played enough time in the AHL by now and although he's matured and grown into his body, I'm not sure the AHL has helped him all that much as a player.  

Personally I think its best for both him and the team. When I say the NA game its about the speed and size of the players. He will benefit from this and it will make him a better player in the long run regardless if he was ready which I dont he was completely ready. If either Campoli and Picard fall flat it you can bet Murray will be bringing Karlsson back up.
I look at Lee as an example of how much the AHL actually helps development. In my opinion, Lee looks best after he's played some games in the NHL (the end of last year, for example). He's played enough time in the AHL by now and although he's matured and grown into his body, I'm not sure the AHL has helped him all that much as a player.  

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N4L wrote:Because of that Kuba injury, they basically trough the kid under the bus. They brought Ohlund in for Hedman, they brough O'Donald in for Doughtey, they paired Shenn with Kaberle last year, and who does Karlsson get? Campoli, come on.

Karlsson did well with what he was given and improved every game and was actually becoming an effective player on a lot of levels.

I have to agree with you completely there. I don't get how or why he was paired with Campoli, that was a head scratcher. But at the same time, there is no way we can split up Philly and A-Train, they've been lights out amazing this season, we need them to stay together. I would have loved to have seen Karlsson play with Kuba in a real NHL game, they were awesome together in pre-season. Campoli wasn't quite ready to be the rock that Karlsson needed him to be, Kuba is.

I'm not sure Campoli will ever be the rock Karlsson needed him to be.

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N4L wrote:Because of that Kuba injury, they basically trough the kid under the bus. They brought Ohlund in for Hedman, they brough O'Donald in for Doughtey, they paired Shenn with Kaberle last year, and who does Karlsson get? Campoli, come on.

Karlsson did well with what he was given and improved every game and was actually becoming an effective player on a lot of levels.

I have to agree with you completely there. I don't get how or why he was paired with Campoli, that was a head scratcher. But at the same time, there is no way we can split up Philly and A-Train, they've been lights out amazing this season, we need them to stay together. I would have loved to have seen Karlsson play with Kuba in a real NHL game, they were awesome together in pre-season. Campoli wasn't quite ready to be the rock that Karlsson needed him to be, Kuba is.

OMG no, Campoli needs the rock beside him, haha.

I'm not sure Campoli will ever be the rock Karlsson needed him to be.

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asq2 wrote:
I'm not sure Campoli will ever be the rock Karlsson needed him to be.

Yeah, no, no chance. It's nice that Carkner and Picard are playing well together, but I like Picard about as much as Neely like Shannon/Campoli - and I doubt there's anyone out there who would argue that Campoli is a 'rock' on our back end.

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Well Picard is outscoring the other two combined. Picard is also younger, bigger, way more upside, and looks to be the better hockey player of the 3.

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OK, I've got an interview to get to in a few minutes, so no time to read everything.

One thing I agree with N4L on is that we'll see Lee as a call up and not Karlsson. They sent him down, clearly, to save a year on his ELC. Bringing him up even for one game will blow that up. I do think, however, that playoff games don't count. Hopefully someone can confirm that.

I'm tickled pink that he agreed to go to Bingo. Didn't expect that, and it must have been quite a selling job on Murray/Alfie's part.

So, Alfie now has some extra room in his basement? And he needs a new babysitter.


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N4L wrote:Well Picard is outscoring the other two combined. Picard is also younger, bigger, way more upside, and looks to be the better hockey player of the 3.

When Picard poos the bed, it's epic.

84Senators send Karlsson To Bingo - Page 6 Empty Re: Senators send Karlsson To Bingo Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:55 pm

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N4L wrote:Well Picard is outscoring the other two combined. Picard is also younger, bigger, way more upside, and looks to be the better hockey player of the 3.

When Picard poos the bed, it's epic.

Ill take one bad game over 1 good game (between both).

Shannon has been brutal. Only guy on the team without a point... not changing on the 4th line and the PP is awful with him at the helm, worst it's been in close to 15 years.

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SpezDispenser wrote:Interesting points Asq and Neely. If there's one thing I would have liked to see it's Karlsson and Kuba back together again. I think it's a little ironic that Kuba's coming back just as Karlsson is being sent to Bingo. However, I don't feel as strongly as you two that Karlsson was ready, so I'm neither here nor there really.

He certainly hasn't looked much worse than Campoli.

I'm not entirely in agreement that Karlsson was/is ready either, but much less so than I thought before witnessing the pre-season. Karlsson's had trouble primarily because of his strength (which we all knew would be the case) and with the speed of the NHL game (and because of his partner).

Neither of these issues are solved by putting him in Binghamton. And, he proved in the pre-season and World Juniors that he can play in the NA rinks, so I don't think that's a big issue that needs to be resolved, either.

The question is more about whether this specific move is better for his development. You're taking him from the league that he needs to adjust to, and from potentially playing with a partner (Kuba) who can help him along, and from a house that lets him feel more at home and learn from the greatest Senator in modern history, to a worse league that won't teach him the NHL game, in another country, with less money and no Alfredsson (although I'll bet someone like Hamel takes him in, at least at first).

I'm not shocked but I'm not happy that he wasn't given much of a chance to succeed in the league where he would have developed most quickly. In the big scheme of things, I don't think it's a big deal, but I don't like the whole scenario.

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wprager wrote:I'm tickled pink that he agreed to go to Bingo. Didn't expect that, and it must have been quite a selling job on Murray/Alfie's part.

He doesn't have a NMC. What was the alternative?

EDIT: He could have gone to Sweden, obviously. What a dumb comment on my part.

2nd EDIT: They'd have had to assign him to Sweden for him to go, so the decision is still with Murray. Disregard my "dumb" remark. Senators send Karlsson To Bingo - Page 6 Icon_razz



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So, ya, AWESOME, he gets to play in the WJC.. from a Sens perspective he better not because that is one place where he has been there, done that, and would basically be a joke for him to play in.

Too good for that tourny, he was already the best player there last year with Hodgson anyways.

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asq2 wrote:
wprager wrote:I'm tickled pink that he agreed to go to Bingo. Didn't expect that, and it must have been quite a selling job on Murray/Alfie's part.

He doesn't have a NMC. What was the alternative?

EDIT: He could have gone to Sweden, obviously. What a dumb comment on my part.
Yeah, he really didn't have a choice.

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Senators send Karlsson To Bingo - Page 6 270956 Why do I have so much hatred for our bottom-3 defencemen right now?

Part of it stems from it being more difficult to track EK's progress, I guess.

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I dont mind the bottom 3 so much as I cant stand the number 7, now 6 dman Campoli. Carkner and Picard out played Karlsson, that's life, cant be made about that, but I hear ya.

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Sounds like Karlsson had the flu as well. Clouston said he wasn't feeling so well at practice today.

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Karlsson got screwed in every way possible at this point.

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N4L wrote:Karlsson got screwed in every way possible at this point.
Gets the flu and then gets demoted. Poor guy.

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