Clouston to get contract offer today?

Urkie wrote:

wprager wrote:

Urkie wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Take a guy like Fisher who has seemed to start to develope some chemistry with Heatley. They dont look bad out there together and Heatley has looked a lot better with him than he has all year with Spezza.

Also, a guy I would love to go after up front this off season is Chris Higgins. He is begging for a fresh start and can play in every situation. Look no further than Ryder for a good example of someone who needed to get out of MTL. I think Higgins would fit in nicely in Ottawa.

You know, that wouldn't be all that bad. Fisher would excel if he got to play a full season with players like Heatley and/or Alfredsson. We would then be able to have more depth. I kind of see where you're coming from.

More depth? Other than this year, Fisher (and Vermette) were our secondary scoring. Vermette is gone and if you lsoe Spezza and move Fish to the top line you're a one-line team even worse than before.

I love what Shannon and Foligno have done, but that was 30 games. I am not (yet) convinced they can keep it up for 82+.

You're not factoring in that we're getting something back for Spezza and it may also open up some cap space to sign a few free agents.

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:
I said he is 100% worth that kind of cash. But Kelly plays the same role, just as well, for less.

Who are we talking about? Kesler or Pahlsson?

Oh... ok, got ya. Kesler is not worth more than 4 mil a year at this point in his career. There are 7 other guys on that Boston team that can score, Kesler is a product of that system along with others. Its a perfect mix up front for Kesler right now and any team that gives him anything more than maybe 3.5, 4 mil is in a lot of trouble.

Kesler is nothing special, he is a good 2nd line winger.

We have our signals crossed.

This is the guy I want to trade Spezza for:

[url=http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3513

wprager wrote:

Urkie wrote:

wprager wrote:

Urkie wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Take a guy like Fisher who has seemed to start to develope some chemistry with Heatley. They dont look bad out there together and Heatley has looked a lot better with him than he has all year with Spezza.

Also, a guy I would love to go after up front this off season is Chris Higgins. He is begging for a fresh start and can play in every situation. Look no further than Ryder for a good example of someone who needed to get out of MTL. I think Higgins would fit in nicely in Ottawa.

You know, that wouldn't be all that bad. Fisher would excel if he got to play a full season with players like Heatley and/or Alfredsson. We would then be able to have more depth. I kind of see where you're coming from.

More depth? Other than this year, Fisher (and Vermette) were our secondary scoring. Vermette is gone and if you lsoe Spezza and move Fish to the top line you're a one-line team even worse than before.

I love what Shannon and Foligno have done, but that was 30 games. I am not (yet) convinced they can keep it up for 82+.

You're not factoring in that we're getting something back for Spezza and it may also open up some cap space to sign a few free agents.

But that's part of my point (maybe in another post). If you replace Spezza with an almost-as-good centre, how much are you saving? Are we all in agreement that if Fisher replaced Spezza he could probably get 60-70, but not 80-100 points? Well Fisher is a savings of $4.8 -- not enough to get J-Bo. More realistically you replace Spezza with a $5M player with similar numbers (or you roll the dice on a yong gun -- who could be just as immature as Spezza was).

Neely4Life wrote:

ElliottRules wrote:I would also like to see Kelly gone from the roster. He seems to have a problem finishing. I would definitely like to the see Regin here fulltime next season and remove Kelly.

Kelly might be one of the smartest players on the Sens and the prefect 3rd line center. 2.2 mil is not exactly a high price to pay for what he brings. 10-15 goals thats kills penatlies just as well as anyone in the league. Def not enough credit and with Vermette gone, you need that guy.

Smith will likely be gone IMO, and if he isnt, his career will probably be done wit the type of injury he sistained and the game he plays.

Again, there are way too many heartless and soft players as it is, getting rid of Fisher and Kelly, I would liertally stop cheering for this team, but good thing it wont happen.

Neely4Life wrote:
Ohhhh, KESLER. I thought you ment Kessel, haha. Thats my bad.

Uhhh, I dunno, maybe? I think there are some better deals out there for Spezza. If he goes to Vancouver I would be asking for Hodgson back, not Kesler.

wprager wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

ElliottRules wrote:I would also like to see Kelly gone from the roster. He seems to have a problem finishing. I would definitely like to the see Regin here fulltime next season and remove Kelly.

Kelly might be one of the smartest players on the Sens and the prefect 3rd line center. 2.2 mil is not exactly a high price to pay for what he brings. 10-15 goals thats kills penatlies just as well as anyone in the league. Def not enough credit and with Vermette gone, you need that guy.

Smith will likely be gone IMO, and if he isnt, his career will probably be done wit the type of injury he sistained and the game he plays.

Again, there are way too many heartless and soft players as it is, getting rid of Fisher and Kelly, I would liertally stop cheering for this team, but good thing it wont happen.

Kelly can already be replaced by Winch. He was killing penalties pretty darn well last night, and he's 54% on faceoffs, not 25%. Deano could have been or third line centre for far less than $2.2M.

wprager wrote:Kelly can already be replaced by Winch. He was killing penalties pretty darn well last night, and he's 54% on faceoffs, not 25%. Deano could have been or third line centre for far less than $2.2M.

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:
Ohhhh, KESLER. I thought you ment Kessel, haha. Thats my bad.

Uhhh, I dunno, maybe? I think there are some better deals out there for Spezza. If he goes to Vancouver I would be asking for Hodgson back, not Kesler.

Either or. Hodgson's a favourite of mine as well. I would take Kesler right now and I'd almost guarantee this team goes deep next year. Damn...I want a guy like him. He has skill, he's tough, he can score, he can defend, he's Selke nominee worthy.

I can see him, Heatley and Alfredsson (or Foligo, or Shannon, or Regin).

Me want. But me no get. Diddle.

504Heater wrote:We have our signals crossed.

This is the guy I want to trade Spezza for:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3513

504Heater wrote:

wprager wrote:Kelly can already be replaced by Winch. He was killing penalties pretty darn well last night, and he's 54% on faceoffs, not 25%. Deano could have been or third line centre for far less than $2.2M.

I would have to agree. A guy like Deano is meant to be a 3rd line player/PKer - and he'd be lucky to make 900K next year.

Urkie wrote:
I would love to have Kesler as well Heater. He's like an exact replica of Fisher only he has better hands. We could probably get something else in that deal as well.

Neely4Life wrote:McAmmond sucks, he is basically done in the NHL. Ever since he got hit by Pronger and Downie, he has been on the decline and fast.

McAmmond cant do the job Kelly does, and its pretty ignorant to think he can, as well as Winchester stepping in right now and doing the job Kelly has been doing for 4 years, and doing well.

Winchester may one day be able to be that guy, right now he cant.

Neely4Life wrote:Seriously, the guy I go after for a little secondary scoring who can kill some PK's is Higgins.

504Heater wrote:

Urkie wrote:
I would love to have Kesler as well Heater. He's like an exact replica of Fisher only he has better hands. We could probably get something else in that deal as well.

I said the exact same thing walking back from the game last night. He's Fisher with hands.

I think I'm becoming obsessed. This is the guy for our team.

But we can't have him.

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:McAmmond sucks, he is basically done in the NHL. Ever since he got hit by Pronger and Downie, he has been on the decline and fast.

McAmmond cant do the job Kelly does, and its pretty ignorant to think he can, as well as Winchester stepping in right now and doing the job Kelly has been doing for 4 years, and doing well.

Winchester may one day be able to be that guy, right now he cant.

Bottom line right now: it doesn't matter. The people who don't care for Kelly will have to learn to love him - the people who love him are happy. There is no GM in the NHL that would take Kelly for 3 more years at a 2.1 million cap hit.

So, there's little to no use even bothering debating this.

Urkie wrote:
Probably not but you never know with Sundin going out the door and the Sedin's asking for 15 million.

Neely4Life wrote:
I would beg to differ with that point. There are def some teams who could use a Kelly. 3 years at 2.1 is not a bad deal, especially with no NTC. Kelly is a good guy to have on the 3rd line and he will prob be moved to the wing if Regin makes the team next year.