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61Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:22 pm

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504Heater wrote:I'll tell you what though, I would do a Spezza for Kesler in a heartbeat. Maybe make Vancouver pay a little extra as well - one of their D-men. But I would center the deal around those guys.

I think if we can ever get our dirty mitts on Kesler, this team is ready to go.

I wouldnt touch Kesler with 100 foot pole for what he is going to demand.

62Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:22 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:
I'll bet you 100 dollars right now Pahlsson gets more than Kelly (per year)

Let's wait and see what goes down.

63Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:23 pm

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504Heater wrote:
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I'll bet you 100 dollars right now Pahlsson gets more than Kelly (per year)

Let's wait and see what goes down.

Well, thats the bet, lol.

64Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:25 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:

I wouldnt touch Kesler with 100 foot pole for what he is going to demand.

What's he going to demand?

65Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:26 pm

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My guess is he will get a 3-4 year deal worth between 9-11 mil.

He is totally worth it as well.

66Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:27 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:
Well, thats the bet, lol.

Yeah, I'm not gonna bet 100 bucks, but we'll see how much he gets. I'll say....1.6 X 2 years.

67Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:28 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:My guess is he will get a 3-4 year deal worth between 9-11 mil.

He is totally worth it as well.

And you wouldn't touch him for that because...?

68Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:29 pm

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OMG, as a UFA, no shot man. There is no shortage of demand for a guy like Pahlsson. Again, guys who are good for 30-40 points and play against the other teams top lines and are used on the PK. Phalsson wont get less than 2.5 a year. I'll lay serious cash on that.

69Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:30 pm

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504Heater wrote:
Neely4Life wrote:My guess is he will get a 3-4 year deal worth between 9-11 mil.

He is totally worth it as well.

And you wouldn't touch him for that because...?

I said he is 100% worth that kind of cash. But Kelly plays the same role, just as well, for less.

70Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:32 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:OMG, as a UFA, no shot man. There is no shortage of demand for a guy like Pahlsson. Again, guys who are good for 30-40 points and play against the other teams top lines and are used on the PK. Phalsson wont get less than 2.5 a year. I'll lay serious cash on that.

You're in for a surprise this summer I think. No chance teams can lay 2.5 million dollars down on a guy that can only play on line 3, the NHL isn't configured that way anymore.

More power to him though, I would be more than impressed if he got anywhere approaching that kind of $$.

71Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:32 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:
I said he is 100% worth that kind of cash. But Kelly plays the same role, just as well, for less.

Who are we talking about? Kesler or Pahlsson?

72Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:34 pm

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Why wouldnt a team like Colorado sign him for that kind of cash? Or a team like Montreal? Tons of room on a lot of teams for that kind of player.

I think you under estimate how little some GM's care about tomorrow as opposed to today.

73Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:36 pm

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504Heater wrote:
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I said he is 100% worth that kind of cash. But Kelly plays the same role, just as well, for less.

Who are we talking about? Kesler or Pahlsson?

Oh... ok, got ya. Kesler is not worth more than 4 mil a year at this point in his career. There are 7 other guys on that Boston team that can score, Kesler is a product of that system along with others. Its a perfect mix up front for Kesler right now and any team that gives him anything more than maybe 3.5, 4 mil is in a lot of trouble.

Kesler is nothing special, he is a good 2nd line winger.

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Neely4Life wrote:Why wouldnt a team like Colorado sign him for that kind of cash? Or a team like Montreal? Tons of room on a lot of teams for that kind of player.

I think you under estimate how little some GM's care about tomorrow as opposed to today.

Yeah, I agree with GMs short-sightedness. Why wouldn't they? I think Pahlsson is the type of player that you sorely need to develop in your own system as opposed to purchasing on the open market. It's the only way to survive. Once in a while, you have to spend some $$ on big name players, but the checkers need to learn their roles within a system and be indoctrinated into the NHL to learn - like Winchester.

If Montreal were to grab Pahlsson it certainly would make them a less silky soft team. That may be a fit, but at 2.5 million? Seems high, what can I say? Shrug

75Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:38 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:
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I said he is 100% worth that kind of cash. But Kelly plays the same role, just as well, for less.

Who are we talking about? Kesler or Pahlsson?

Oh... ok, got ya. Kesler is not worth more than 4 mil a year at this point in his career. There are 7 other guys on that Boston team that can score, Kesler is a product of that system along with others. Its a perfect mix up front for Kesler right now and any team that gives him anything more than maybe 3.5, 4 mil is in a lot of trouble.

Kesler is nothing special, he is a good 2nd line winger.

We have our signals crossed.

This is the guy I want to trade Spezza for:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3513

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Neely4Life wrote:Take a guy like Fisher who has seemed to start to develope some chemistry with Heatley. They dont look bad out there together and Heatley has looked a lot better with him than he has all year with Spezza.

Also, a guy I would love to go after up front this off season is Chris Higgins. He is begging for a fresh start and can play in every situation. Look no further than Ryder for a good example of someone who needed to get out of MTL. I think Higgins would fit in nicely in Ottawa.

You know, that wouldn't be all that bad. Fisher would excel if he got to play a full season with players like Heatley and/or Alfredsson. We would then be able to have more depth. I kind of see where you're coming from.

More depth? Other than this year, Fisher (and Vermette) were our secondary scoring. Vermette is gone and if you lsoe Spezza and move Fish to the top line you're a one-line team even worse than before.

I love what Shannon and Foligno have done, but that was 30 games. I am not (yet) convinced they can keep it up for 82+.

You're not factoring in that we're getting something back for Spezza and it may also open up some cap space to sign a few free agents.

But that's part of my point (maybe in another post). If you replace Spezza with an almost-as-good centre, how much are you saving? Are we all in agreement that if Fisher replaced Spezza he could probably get 60-70, but not 80-100 points? Well Fisher is a savings of $4.8 -- not enough to get J-Bo. More realistically you replace Spezza with a $5M player with similar numbers (or you roll the dice on a yong gun -- who could be just as immature as Spezza was).

77Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:40 pm

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504Heater wrote:
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I said he is 100% worth that kind of cash. But Kelly plays the same role, just as well, for less.

Who are we talking about? Kesler or Pahlsson?

Oh... ok, got ya. Kesler is not worth more than 4 mil a year at this point in his career. There are 7 other guys on that Boston team that can score, Kesler is a product of that system along with others. Its a perfect mix up front for Kesler right now and any team that gives him anything more than maybe 3.5, 4 mil is in a lot of trouble.

Kesler is nothing special, he is a good 2nd line winger.

We have our signals crossed.

This is the guy I want to trade Spezza for:

[url=http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3513
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3513[/quote[/url]]

Ohhhh, KESLER. I thought you ment Kessel, haha. Thats my bad.

Uhhh, I dunno, maybe? I think there are some better deals out there for Spezza. If he goes to Vancouver I would be asking for Hodgson back, not Kesler.

78Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 5 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:41 pm

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Neely4Life wrote:Take a guy like Fisher who has seemed to start to develope some chemistry with Heatley. They dont look bad out there together and Heatley has looked a lot better with him than he has all year with Spezza.

Also, a guy I would love to go after up front this off season is Chris Higgins. He is begging for a fresh start and can play in every situation. Look no further than Ryder for a good example of someone who needed to get out of MTL. I think Higgins would fit in nicely in Ottawa.

You know, that wouldn't be all that bad. Fisher would excel if he got to play a full season with players like Heatley and/or Alfredsson. We would then be able to have more depth. I kind of see where you're coming from.

More depth? Other than this year, Fisher (and Vermette) were our secondary scoring. Vermette is gone and if you lsoe Spezza and move Fish to the top line you're a one-line team even worse than before.

I love what Shannon and Foligno have done, but that was 30 games. I am not (yet) convinced they can keep it up for 82+.

You're not factoring in that we're getting something back for Spezza and it may also open up some cap space to sign a few free agents.

But that's part of my point (maybe in another post). If you replace Spezza with an almost-as-good centre, how much are you saving? Are we all in agreement that if Fisher replaced Spezza he could probably get 60-70, but not 80-100 points? Well Fisher is a savings of $4.8 -- not enough to get J-Bo. More realistically you replace Spezza with a $5M player with similar numbers (or you roll the dice on a yong gun -- who could be just as immature as Spezza was).

Smith is gone dude, I dont think he will play another game in Ottawa. Thats the cash you need right there.

Also, Spezza's situation in Ottawa is 100% unique to him, it isnt going on anywhere else in the NHL.



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