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Clouston to get contract offer today?

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106Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 8 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:03 pm

wprager


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Neely4Life wrote:
wprager wrote:You want to talk about MO, *your* MO is to state things very categorically, with no room for grey areas anywhere. Truth is, you don't know what wil happen next year, let alone next five. Kelly being the smartest playerin the league is certainly not something that can be proven by anyone, yet you stand on your soap box and proclaim that Winchester will never be as smart.

Says who???! Oh, yeah, says you. It *must be* right, then.

Out.

Haha, ok buddy. Again, you show a total lack of knowledge for the game in a large way, always have, and always will. You dont get it, thats fine, just dont pretend you do.

EDIT: This isnt the Jim Rome show either. Saying "out" is pretty lame unless you are a fat chick that works at the DMV.

Listen, Nelly. I stopped commenting on you typing "n e way" and "w e" and so on, so don't you go after me for using a proper 3-letter word when trying to express "I've got to go, so I'm done now". The Tamils were at it again to day and I had to go home early or face getting home late again like last night.

As for my knowledge of hockey it's quite simple -- I know as much as the next guy. You can keep defending Kelly as the Einstein of Hockey, but I'm just looking at what he brings. He's not big, he's not particularly fast, he's got hands of stone, he can't win a face off. So, yeah, he'd better have the hockey equivalent of a 282 IQ because he's not going to stop the other team by brute force, blazing speed, by scoring more goals than mistakes leading to goals against, or by contributing to the team;s time of possession stats by winning faceoffs. Just like the discussion about Kuba versus Volchenkov, there are many ways to contribute to the team;s success. The goal is to score more than the other guys, whether that's a 1-0 or 7-5. The only time it makes a difference is during a playoff series where you're playing the same team as many as seven games -- in those situations I'd take A-Train versus Kuba because his punishing hits will have a cumulative effect on the other team's ability to play, where's Kuba will simply prevent them from scoring in *this* game.

Anyhow, back to Kelly. He's a smart player, a great defensive player, and quite unfortunate on the offensive side. But at $2.1M what he brings (the net total) is not enough compared to other players.

I'm sorry that you can't see it. You've got blind spots like everyone else. I actually listen to your arguments -- sometimes they are a little hard to see because of all the "absolutes", but I at least try -- and sometimes I disagree. Sometimes I lose patience when you repeatedly try to simply shout the other person (me or anyone else) without actually trying to hold a debate. But I never accuse anyone here of knowing less than me or, god forbid, of knowing nothing.

I guess when you accused the guy who actually played for the Red Wings and Rangers of knowing nothing about hockey you did not learn a lesson in humilty. That's too bad for you, I guess.

Please understand that:
1. You don't know everything
2. You have even less insights into what other people know.
3. Everyone here knows something.

And sometimes, even if someone knows less than you, the other person might have a different opinion which just happens to be more correct. Knowing more doesn't entitle anyone to better understanding. It can certainly help, but just like talent in hockey doesn't entitle you to a career in the NHL, it's not the only thing that matters.

Am I beginning to make sense?

107Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 8 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:22 pm

Phoenix30


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Personally I think Kelly is a viable option to move for several reasons.

1. it opens a spot on the 3rd line for a rookie.
2. Gains an asset for the team.
3. 3 more years at 2.1 million - there is certainly teams willing to take on his salary in order to improve their PK.....like hmmmm edmonton which would free up some cash for us.
4. Can put Spezza, Alfie, Fisher, Donovan among others on PK.

I'd neither here or there for Kelly but moving his money for a cheaper option to improve elsewhere is what makes me think he needs to go.

108Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 8 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:22 pm

Phoenix30


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Personally I think Kelly is a viable option to move for several reasons.

1. it opens a spot on the 3rd line for a rookie.
2. Gains an asset for the team.
3. 3 more years at 2.1 million - there is certainly teams willing to take on his salary in order to improve their PK.....like hmmmm edmonton which would free up some cash for us.
4. Can put Spezza, Alfie, Fisher, Donovan among others on PK.

I'd neither here or there for Kelly but moving his money for a cheaper option to improve elsewhere is what makes me think he needs to go.

109Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 8 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:16 am

SeawaySensFan

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Neely4Life wrote:Because he wont be as smart as Kelly, that is Kelly's who MO. Kelly is on another level from most players in the league. Winchester depends on his size, skating, and physicallity for sucess. Its not about absolute, its abotu recongnizing exactly what a players assets are what they bring to the table. They are two different players who play, at this point, different roles.

If you think im dealing with absolutes Im not, maybe you shoudl educate yourself a little more with their players and the game before you make a comment like that.

Winchester is at least as smart as Kelly. Size, skating and physicality are only extras. With Kelly it pretty much stops at smarts and speed. Besides, Ruutu (also a "smart" player) and Winchester have already demonstrated some nice PKing ability and are cheaper than Kelly combined.

110Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 8 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:44 am

SensFan71


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Cronie wrote:2 yr extension for Clouston! WOO OHOO!!

am finally glad pen has been put to paper on this one, it wasn't a matter of if, it was a matter of when, well from our opinions around here anyway lol :D:

111Clouston to get contract offer today? - Page 8 Empty Re: Clouston to get contract offer today? Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:32 pm

beedub

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SensFan71 wrote:
Cronie wrote:2 yr extension for Clouston! WOO OHOO!!

am finally glad pen has been put to paper on this one, it wasn't a matter of if, it was a matter of when, well from our opinions around here anyway lol :D:

I was reading the player reaction in the Sun today, and they seem to be pretty unanimous in their appreciation for Clouston. I'm optimistic as to what he can bring over the space of 82 games instead of 20 odd games.

IMO, a good signing, I'm betting he's not commanding the big bucks (yet), and the players seem motivated by him. Could be good next year

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