Clouston to get contract offer today?

Urkie wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Take a guy like Fisher who has seemed to start to develope some chemistry with Heatley. They dont look bad out there together and Heatley has looked a lot better with him than he has all year with Spezza.

Also, a guy I would love to go after up front this off season is Chris Higgins. He is begging for a fresh start and can play in every situation. Look no further than Ryder for a good example of someone who needed to get out of MTL. I think Higgins would fit in nicely in Ottawa.

You know, that wouldn't be all that bad. Fisher would excel if he got to play a full season with players like Heatley and/or Alfredsson. We would then be able to have more depth. I kind of see where you're coming from.

Exaclty, you have seen in the last 2 or 3 months the real Fisher. He has got to play with some skilled players and he has played well and produced at a more than respectable rate. He wont put up Spezza numbers, lets not kid ourselves, but he will make the other teams pay on the ice, be tough to play against every night, and he lets the other team and players know that the Sens are there to play so get ready to pay the price.

Like I said before, I will take a team of Fishers over a team of Spezza's any day of the week. Especially with the grind of a lengthy regular season like the NHL has.

top shelf15 wrote:

Cronie wrote:Exactly. and I find personally, the combo of Sun Tzu and Nietszche's philosophies compliment each other VERY well.

Sun can show one how to expose a weakness, and more appropriately, turn ones own weakness into a strength; whereas Nietszche's work(s) show how to pinpoint every person's weakness and uneasiness.

I am SO stoked for the next season to see what Clouston and the boys are capable of. Man, what a LOOONG wait October will be.

I think i must read a little of Neitzche,s work ,i knew of him but if what u say is true, and my fondness of exploiting the weak it will be some good reading for me. :D: On the sens side the draft lottery is on the 14th a little something to look forward too

Now we're talkin', gang.

cool)
Personally, I favour the works of Taisen Deshimaru, whose maxim "Time is not a line, but a series of 'now' points" can be transposed to our noble sport...

and which becomes

"Hockey is not a line, but a series of puck points"

One can carry this philosophical tangent further, to describe the unique dynamics of hockey, its blend of physique and intellect, and interface of collective and individual effort in a virtually constant flow, furthermore, at a speed unmatched in any other team sport.

And there you are...rockemsockem hockey eh.
:D:

Neely4Life wrote:Exaclty, you have seen in the last 2 or 3 months the real Fisher. He has got to play with some skilled players and he has played well and produced at a more than respectable rate. He wont put up Spezza numbers, lets not kid ourselves, but he will make the other teams pay on the ice, be tough to play against every night, and he lets the other team and players know that the Sens are there to play so get ready to pay the price.

Like I said before, I will take a team of Fishers over a team of Spezza's any day of the week. Especially with the grind of a lengthy regular season like the NHL has.

No, we all know Fisher couldn't put up 90 points or so but he could put up 60+ if he played a full season with Heatley and Alfie. A player like Fisher would make it easier for those guys too. His willingness to go into the corners and do the dirty work gives skilled players more time to do their thing. The top line doesn't become so predictable as well.

If a good deal came up for Spezza then I would probably take it the more I think about this.

Neely4Life wrote:

top shelf15 wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Take a guy like Fisher who has seemed to start to develope some chemistry with Heatley. They dont look bad out there together and Heatley has looked a lot better with him than he has all year with Spezza.

Also, a guy I would love to go after up front this off season is Chris Higgins. He is begging for a fresh start and can play in every situation. Look no further than Ryder for a good example of someone who needed to get out of MTL. I think Higgins would fit in nicely in Ottawa.

I like him for the second line ,but i think LA has a few pieces that would make us forget about spezza, start with our first and spezza flipping for la,s first one of thier top defense prospects and a second good forward prospect,sounding good :D:

If there is a deal there in LA, so many pieces that could step in and really be part of the Sens going forward for the next 5-10 years. I love what LA has to offer, lets hope there is a deal there.

LA needs a star the rumor has it that they would love to have vinny out of tampa but cant get him.Spezza is younger and a bit cheaper i think its a good possibility ,murray has talked to la a few times this year and knowing him there is a player he wants but hasnt been able to close the deal.Misdirection my friend there was a obscure rumor about ottawa getting campoli months before it happened.I think when murray makes his move it will have us saying WTF :D:

Neely4Life wrote:Yup, I'm 100% confident in Murray. It took a while to get the right coach, but he did, and the end result is more important than the actual prossess it took to get there. He didnt waste 4, 5 or 6 years.

Now, its time for Murray to make the big decision! My guess (unless Heatley has asked to be traded) is that Spezza is out the door because the contract he signed (in hind sight) is about 1.5-2 mil too much and there is a good possibilty that someone with a little less skill and more heart can put up 80 points between Heatley and Alfi. ( A chimp can probably do it).

If they cant sign J Bo, there are other ways to acquire a D man that can play big mins in every situation.

Francois Beauchemin. UFA. Not break-the-bank money, just rock solid.

Tuebert, 100% That guy screams Murray and is a franchise D man in the making. You want a mean mother? Thats the guy!

Maybe Justin Williams comes back the other way with him and a pick? Is Williams a center?

davetherave wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Yup, I'm 100% confident in Murray. It took a while to get the right coach, but he did, and the end result is more important than the actual prossess it took to get there. He didnt waste 4, 5 or 6 years.

Now, its time for Murray to make the big decision! My guess (unless Heatley has asked to be traded) is that Spezza is out the door because the contract he signed (in hind sight) is about 1.5-2 mil too much and there is a good possibilty that someone with a little less skill and more heart can put up 80 points between Heatley and Alfi. ( A chimp can probably do it).

If they cant sign J Bo, there are other ways to acquire a D man that can play big mins in every situation.

Francois Beauchemin. UFA. Not break-the-bank money, just rock solid.

Good call! Never even thought of him.

Neely4Life wrote:Tuebert, 100% That guy screams Murray and is a franchise D man in the making. You want a mean mother? Thats the guy!

Maybe Justin Williams comes back the other way with him and a pick? Is Williams a center?

Ilike him a lot too ,sadly the draft will be our stanley cup this year.And after the beating we took against ana, "mean mother", and "depth" are words we need to hear a lot around ottawa before we get back there

shabbs wrote:So, Gene's in town for a presser to talk about this season, missing the playoffs and what not. I wonder if he'll make the official offer to Clouston today?

Good call shabbs!

Thanks man.

HA HA!

Clouston is also going to have a major say in who is here next year, lets not forget that. The players he wants will be here and the players he doenst will not be!

They have to set him up to succeed just as much as anyone else on that team.

Neely4Life wrote:Yup, I'm 100% confident in Murray. It took a while to get the right coach, but he did, and the end result is more important than the actual prossess it took to get there. He didnt waste 4, 5 or 6 years.

Now, its time for Murray to make the big decision! My guess (unless Heatley has asked to be traded) is that Spezza is out the door because the contract he signed (in hind sight) is about 1.5-2 mil too much and there is a good possibilty that someone with a little less skill and more heart can put up 80 points between Heatley and Alfi. ( A chimp can probably do it).

If they cant sign J Bo, there are other ways to aquire a D man that can play big mins in every situation.

How about a monkey? You know what's coming...


I'd rather replace Kelly ($2.2M), Fisher ($4.2M), Smith($2.8M) with Bass, Regin and, oh I dunno, J-Bo?

Urkie wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Take a guy like Fisher who has seemed to start to develope some chemistry with Heatley. They dont look bad out there together and Heatley has looked a lot better with him than he has all year with Spezza.

Also, a guy I would love to go after up front this off season is Chris Higgins. He is begging for a fresh start and can play in every situation. Look no further than Ryder for a good example of someone who needed to get out of MTL. I think Higgins would fit in nicely in Ottawa.

You know, that wouldn't be all that bad. Fisher would excel if he got to play a full season with players like Heatley and/or Alfredsson. We would then be able to have more depth. I kind of see where you're coming from.

More depth? Other than this year, Fisher (and Vermette) were our secondary scoring. Vermette is gone and if you lsoe Spezza and move Fish to the top line you're a one-line team even worse than before.

I love what Shannon and Foligno have done, but that was 30 games. I am not (yet) convinced they can keep it up for 82+.

I would also like to see Kelly gone from the roster. He seems to have a problem finishing. I would definitely like to the see Regin here fulltime next season and remove Kelly.

wprager wrote:

Urkie wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Take a guy like Fisher who has seemed to start to develope some chemistry with Heatley. They dont look bad out there together and Heatley has looked a lot better with him than he has all year with Spezza.

Also, a guy I would love to go after up front this off season is Chris Higgins. He is begging for a fresh start and can play in every situation. Look no further than Ryder for a good example of someone who needed to get out of MTL. I think Higgins would fit in nicely in Ottawa.

You know, that wouldn't be all that bad. Fisher would excel if he got to play a full season with players like Heatley and/or Alfredsson. We would then be able to have more depth. I kind of see where you're coming from.

More depth? Other than this year, Fisher (and Vermette) were our secondary scoring. Vermette is gone and if you lsoe Spezza and move Fish to the top line you're a one-line team even worse than before.

I love what Shannon and Foligno have done, but that was 30 games. I am not (yet) convinced they can keep it up for 82+.

You're not factoring in that we're getting something back for Spezza and it may also open up some cap space to sign a few free agents.

wprager wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Yup, I'm 100% confident in Murray. It took a while to get the right coach, but he did, and the end result is more important than the actual prossess it took to get there. He didnt waste 4, 5 or 6 years.

Now, its time for Murray to make the big decision! My guess (unless Heatley has asked to be traded) is that Spezza is out the door because the contract he signed (in hind sight) is about 1.5-2 mil too much and there is a good possibilty that someone with a little less skill and more heart can put up 80 points between Heatley and Alfi. ( A chimp can probably do it).

If they cant sign J Bo, there are other ways to aquire a D man that can play big mins in every situation.

How about a monkey? You know what's coming...


I'd rather replace Kelly ($2.2M), Fisher ($4.2M), Smith($2.8M) with Bass, Regin and, oh I dunno, J-Bo?

Wow, then you have absolutly zero heart and charachter on that team. You can remove those kind of guys and expect your team to really compete.

I stole it from HF but Murray was just on Hockey Central. Here's a brief summary:

- Shortly after Clouston started coaching here, Murray knew he would be the next full time coach.
- Thinks he has a great hockey mind.
- A week ago the decision became final.
- Murray will be coming back next season, at this time nobody has told him he is done.
- He thinks if CC was the coach the entire season, would be a playoff
team. Thinks Hartsburg did not know how to plan or run practices.
- Conditioning sucked before CC came. Lots of skating in practice, and
has been working religiously on the breakout and positioning.
- Thinks Boston is an amazingly coached team.
- Goaltending has been solved.
- Could use a top defenseman.
- Thinks Boston will come out of the East.

Neely4Life wrote:We traded away our number 1 center before and it turned out just fine. This will be a better TEAM with one of those 2 moved. More complete, more balanced, more leadership, and defently more cap room.

Back then we had secondary scoring, had just gone a season *without* our top centre (and done just fine), and a pretty decent second line centre in Bonk (he could win face offs and was great at shutting down top-talent). We also got Chara in return.

If we trade Spezza, who replaces him and at how much? Remember, this is an exercise in redistributing the cap, but if we move Spezza's $7M to get J-Bo at $7 (or more?) who is out top-line centre? And if we replace Spezza with an almost-as-good $5M centre, that really doesn't leave much to grab J-Bo.

I'm telling you, Kelly and Smith and, to a lesser degree, Fisher are easier to replace than a top-lien centre, unless you are getting a $5M player in return, which petty much negates the $cap side of the move.

ElliottRules wrote:I would also like to see Kelly gone from the roster. He seems to have a problem finishing. I would definitely like to the see Regin here fulltime next season and remove Kelly.

Kelly might be one of the smartest players on the Sens and the prefect 3rd line center. 2.2 mil is not exactly a high price to pay for what he brings. 10-15 goals thats kills penatlies just as well as anyone in the league. Def not enough credit and with Vermette gone, you need that guy.

Smith will likely be gone IMO, and if he isnt, his career will probably be done wit the type of injury he sistained and the game he plays.

Again, there are way too many heartless and soft players as it is, getting rid of Fisher and Kelly, I would liertally stop cheering for this team, but good thing it wont happen.