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jamvan wrote:

N4L wrote:Might not be sold on him, which is fine, but there is no way he shouldnt be given a chance to fail.

I guess, but I still wouldn't pencil him ahead of Lee, Picard and Campoli. Is there room for him to even get the chance?

Put him way ahead of Lee. Lee has nothing The Sens need, Carkner defently does whether he can play at The NHL level or not. Lee is going to have to actually show he has something, anythign worth keeping around.

Picard, I could go either way on him, but again, if Carkner is good enough to be the 6th guy and not hurt the team when he is on the ice then he should be there ove Picard.

Carkner has earned a shot, doesnt matter who likes him and who doesnt.

As for Lee alone, he isnt even a 1st round bust at this point, he's a draft bust. He is basically the poster boy for why Muckler isnt here anymore and why Murray has stock piled the D. He looked good with Cowen on his other side but for the most part, Lee is garbage. Tons of tools he just has no clue how to use them.

N4L wrote:

jamvan wrote:

N4L wrote:Might not be sold on him, which is fine, but there is no way he shouldnt be given a chance to fail.

I guess, but I still wouldn't pencil him ahead of Lee, Picard and Campoli. Is there room for him to even get the chance?

Put him way ahead of Lee. Lee has nothing The Sens need, Carkner defently does whether he can play at The NHL level or not. Lee is going to have to actually show he has something, anythign worth keeping around.

Picard, I could go either way on him, but again, if Carkner is good enough to be the 6th guy and not hurt the team when he is on the ice then he should be there ove Picard.

Carkner has earned a shot, doesnt matter who likes him and who doesnt.

Just a couple of days ago you were (nearly) singing the praises of Lee. You were saying that, perhaps, putting him with someone like Carkner brings out the bit of edge he showed late last season. On the flip side, it's possible, perhaps, that playing with Lee helped Carkner just as much as the reverse.

Bottom line, they played well together; no guarantee either one will play well partnered with someone else.

Unfortunately what stands in the way of the Sens making an informed decision is the cap space and roster limits. Lee's 2-way helps in that regard but, unfortunately, if we alternate playing those two we are risking the "no guarantee" from the previous paragraph.

Good thing it's not my job to make these decisions. Not that I couldn't make them or wouldn't make the right ones, necessarily. Wait, maybe it's a bad thing that it's not my job.

SpezDispenser wrote:I read that this morning and it makes me frustrated and happy at the same time. For Diddle sake, how long have we been yelling at coaches here to put Fisher on the wing? 3 years? 2? Longer? And now they try it and 'oh my gosh, it works!'. Hey man, no kidding it works, WTF? He's Brendan Morrow, he's got size, he's got grit and he's got some skill.

Next time take the wax out of your ears, come to this site and do what we say.

"The fans know man, the fans know"

CCgotITcovered wrote:

N4L wrote:

CCgotITcovered wrote:Who does he push out though? We already have to send Lee down... I'm all for getting rid of Campoli, but we probably won't be getting a 1st back for him

I think Picard might be on his way out considering. Can Capoli, Kuba, and Karlsson bring what Picard does? I think so... if they dont want to give up Picard, you can always make him a 7th D man. Doesnt hurt having a guy there anyways.

I just.... he just... he can be SO good!! I don't think people around here (as in anywhere) understand just how good this guy could be one day. He has all the tools to be the perfect all-around defenseman. I mean: Perfect!

I will be PISSED if Murray dumps him. I would much rather see Chris-stopgap-Campoli head out of town.

why the hate on Campoli? He is much more reliable and puts up better numbers than Picard.

wprager wrote:

N4L wrote:

jamvan wrote:

N4L wrote:Might not be sold on him, which is fine, but there is no way he shouldnt be given a chance to fail.

I guess, but I still wouldn't pencil him ahead of Lee, Picard and Campoli. Is there room for him to even get the chance?

Put him way ahead of Lee. Lee has nothing The Sens need, Carkner defently does whether he can play at The NHL level or not. Lee is going to have to actually show he has something, anythign worth keeping around.

Picard, I could go either way on him, but again, if Carkner is good enough to be the 6th guy and not hurt the team when he is on the ice then he should be there ove Picard.

Carkner has earned a shot, doesnt matter who likes him and who doesnt.

Just a couple of days ago you were (nearly) singing the praises of Lee. You were saying that, perhaps, putting him with someone like Carkner brings out the bit of edge he showed late last season. On the flip side, it's possible, perhaps, that playing with Lee helped Carkner just as much as the reverse.

Bottom line, they played well together; no guarantee either one will play well partnered with someone else.

Unfortunately what stands in the way of the Sens making an informed decision is the cap space and roster limits. Lee's 2-way helps in that regard but, unfortunately, if we alternate playing those two we are risking the "no guarantee" from the previous paragraph.

Good thing it's not my job to make these decisions. Not that I couldn't make them or wouldn't make the right ones, necessarily. Wait, maybe it's a bad thing that it's not my job.

Cowen made Lee look solid, didnt say he otherwise. Fact of the matter is Lee hasnt come close to showing himself, alone, to being an NHL calibre D man. Keep him in Bingo, no reason to move him but he is defently on the verge of being a complete bust. 1st rounder bust is being generous.

I think you get rid of CAmpoli at the end of the year when you have karlsson, and you keep Brian Lee because he can PK, PP and looked good with Philips last year.

Guys that can PP:
- Kuba
- Karlsson
- Picard
- Campoli
- Lee

Guys that can PK:
- Philips
- Volchie
- Kuba
- Lee
- Picard

Philips and Volchie are PK specialists, Karlsson will be a PP specialist, Kuba, Picard and Lee can do both. Campoli will be redundant and will ask for a raise.
We need COwen next year and I also think we trade Kuba, with Lee and PIcard coming up:

- Volchie, Philips, Lee, Karlsson, Picard, COwen
Shouldn't eat too much salary.

If Carkner is given a chance and performs well, you keep him on 6/7th.

I think the Sens should wait til the regular season starts and play some games before they start trading people.

Just seems like a rash decision to trade people based on 6 pre-season games.

N4L wrote:
Cowen made Lee look solid, didnt say he otherwise. Fact of the matter is Lee hasnt come close to showing himself, alone, to being an NHL calibre D man. Keep him in Bingo, no reason to move him but he is defently on the verge of being a complete bust. 1st rounder bust is being generous.

Sorry, my mistake. Cowen, Carkner, the way you spell it could have been either one

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

Hoags wrote:I think the Sens should wait til the regular season starts and play some games before they start trading people.

Just seems like a rash decision to trade people based on 6 pre-season games.

Meh, Regin has been ready for sometime now and he is showing it. Trading a guy like Kelly to make room for Regin is different then trading a guy like Picard for Carkner.

One will be here for good the other may not be.

Hoags wrote:I think the Sens should wait til the regular season starts and play some games before they start trading people.

Just seems like a rash decision to trade people based on 6 pre-season games.

problem with that is they have to be down to a 23 or less roster by Oct 1, so don't have that luxury.

wprager wrote:

N4L wrote:
Cowen made Lee look solid, didnt say he otherwise. Fact of the matter is Lee hasnt come close to showing himself, alone, to being an NHL calibre D man. Keep him in Bingo, no reason to move him but he is defently on the verge of being a complete bust. 1st rounder bust is being generous.

Sorry, my mistake. Cowen, Carkner, the way you spell it could have been either one

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

Well, my spelling sucking aside, having Cowen beside you and having Carkner beside you are very differnt. Cowen is an elite tallent already and showed that, Lee was more or less a product of that.

I'm not saying trade Lee but there is 0% chance he makes Ottawa's lineup out of camp.

CCgotITcovered wrote:Who does he push out though? We already have to send Lee down... I'm all for getting rid of Campoli, but we probably won't be getting a 1st back for him

Campoli? Diddle that noise man. Picard and Lee. Lee to Bingo, Picard to the press box and we have some insurance in case there are injuries. To me, we've been missing a fast, bullet-shooting D-man for a long, long time. We're just getting Karlsson in here and there's still room for Campoli IMO - easily.

We have 26 players now with Brodeur likely on his way to bingo after he clears waivers. We need to drop 3 players to get to the max. Z. Smith, Lee and Carkner go to Bingo and there's your 23. Then you take a couple weeks to a month to evaluate the veterans you are considering trading. Schubert is waived at some point likely which drops you to 22. Once Winchester is back from injury a trade will have been made most likely and you stay at 22.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:We have 26 players now with Brodeur likely on his way to bingo after he clears waivers. We need to drop 3 players to get to the max. Z. Smith, Lee and Carkner go to Bingo and there's your 23. Then you take a couple weeks to a month to evaluate the veterans you are considering trading. Schubert is waived at some point likely which drops you to 22. Once Winchester is back from injury a trade will have been made most likely and you stay at 22.

That's how I think it'll go down as well.

Hoags wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:We have 26 players now with Brodeur likely on his way to bingo after he clears waivers. We need to drop 3 players to get to the max. Z. Smith, Lee and Carkner go to Bingo and there's your 23. Then you take a couple weeks to a month to evaluate the veterans you are considering trading. Schubert is waived at some point likely which drops you to 22. Once Winchester is back from injury a trade will have been made most likely and you stay at 22.

That's how I think it'll go down as well.

How does that 23-man roster look cap-wise?

Hoags wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:We have 26 players now with Brodeur likely on his way to bingo after he clears waivers. We need to drop 3 players to get to the max. Z. Smith, Lee and Carkner go to Bingo and there's your 23. Then you take a couple weeks to a month to evaluate the veterans you are considering trading. Schubert is waived at some point likely which drops you to 22. Once Winchester is back from injury a trade will have been made most likely and you stay at 22.

That's how I think it'll go down as well.

Now things could change depending on who they are able to move. For example if they really want to move Kelly,Donovan or Picard but the only interest they're getting is for Ruutu they may be forced to move him to make the needed room who knows?

wprager wrote:

Hoags wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:We have 26 players now with Brodeur likely on his way to bingo after he clears waivers. We need to drop 3 players to get to the max. Z. Smith, Lee and Carkner go to Bingo and there's your 23. Then you take a couple weeks to a month to evaluate the veterans you are considering trading. Schubert is waived at some point likely which drops you to 22. Once Winchester is back from injury a trade will have been made most likely and you stay at 22.

That's how I think it'll go down as well.

How does that 23-man roster look cap-wise?

Good question. I leave in about 5 minutes so have fun anyone who's interested in figuring out if that works for the Cap or not.