Holy Depth Batman!

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Winchester cannot be pushed out of the lineup, IMO. He's done everything that was asked of him and more. It would be terrible to let him sit...

Plus he's from the Seaway Valley and he went to my sons High School in Cornwall and he played Junior B in Winchester in the rink my son plays now. For those reasons alone he needs to get a lifetime deal.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Winchester cannot be pushed out of the lineup, IMO. He's done everything that was asked of him and more. It would be terrible to let him sit...

Plus he's from the Seaway Valley and he went to my sons High School in Cornwall and he played Junior B in Winchester in the rink my son plays now. For those reasons alone he needs to get a lifetime deal.

You had me convinced as soon as you said Seaway.

cloverleaf wrote:I like those lines from the original poster. One thing though, cheechoo will probably be a healthy scratch by game #20 so I assume some line juggling will be in order then.

SensGirl11 wrote:

You might be right if he doesn't get his Dung together. I'm willing to give him a mulligan for a few games, but he really needs to start showing something. I have not been impressed yet at all. He might be better suited playing with Spezza. that might be the only way to get him going and get the most out of him.

Jordo wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

You might be right if he doesn't get his Dung together. I'm willing to give him a mulligan for a few games, but he really needs to start showing something. I have not been impressed yet at all. He might be better suited playing with Spezza. that might be the only way to get him going and get the most out of him.

A lot of us have been saying this since day 1. Michalek can create his own chances, so can Alfredsson and Kovalev.... Cheech definitely has finishing ability, when he's put in the right scenario. I'm inclined to do this:

Cheech-Spezz-Kovalev
Michalek-Shannon-Alfredsson
Fisher-Regin-Foligno
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Donovan
Winchester

I can also see Kelly being moved out- and as his biggest advocator on this site for a VERY long time, I think it's finally come to the point where we don't have a spot for him. It's a shame, because although he has a pretty hefty contract for his limited offensive ability- he really is one of the smartest guys out there.

SensGirl11 wrote:

Jordo wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

You might be right if he doesn't get his Dung together. I'm willing to give him a mulligan for a few games, but he really needs to start showing something. I have not been impressed yet at all. He might be better suited playing with Spezza. that might be the only way to get him going and get the most out of him.

A lot of us have been saying this since day 1. Michalek can create his own chances, so can Alfredsson and Kovalev.... Cheech definitely has finishing ability, when he's put in the right scenario. I'm inclined to do this:

Cheech-Spezz-Kovalev
Michalek-Shannon-Alfredsson
Fisher-Regin-Foligno
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Donovan
Winchester

I can also see Kelly being moved out- and as his biggest advocator on this site for a VERY long time, I think it's finally come to the point where we don't have a spot for him. It's a shame, because although he has a pretty hefty contract for his limited offensive ability- he really is one of the smartest guys out there.

I think you're right. Cheechoo definitely needs to play with Spezz. It has been a debate for a while and I think it's the only way to make it all come together. I'm again still not convinced about a Kovalev and Spezza pairing all year. I know that they can be awesome together, but they also can both turn over the puck pretty easily with their fancy dancy moves. It might not be the best scenario, but that's only my opinion.

I have to also reiterate that I would not push Winchester out of the lineup at all. He wins a lot of battles and it makes our 4th line nearly impossible to play against.

I would be inclined to tweak this lineup a bit to this maybe. There are so many scenarios, it's ridiculous.

Cheechoo-Spezza-Alfie
2A Michalek-Shannon-Kovalev
2B Foligno-Regin-Fisher
Ruutu-Winchester-Neil

If Kelly is still here, Regin isn't, it's the only way around it. So then Kelly would take Regin's spot, which I'm not sold on, but it could work...maybe...or maybe not. Tough one. Maybe you move Foligno to Center and put Cheechoo there with Fisher. I have no idea, there are too many options. Some good and some not so great.

hemlock wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Jordo wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

You might be right if he doesn't get his Dung together. I'm willing to give him a mulligan for a few games, but he really needs to start showing something. I have not been impressed yet at all. He might be better suited playing with Spezza. that might be the only way to get him going and get the most out of him.

A lot of us have been saying this since day 1. Michalek can create his own chances, so can Alfredsson and Kovalev.... Cheech definitely has finishing ability, when he's put in the right scenario. I'm inclined to do this:

Cheech-Spezz-Kovalev
Michalek-Shannon-Alfredsson
Fisher-Regin-Foligno
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Donovan
Winchester

I can also see Kelly being moved out- and as his biggest advocator on this site for a VERY long time, I think it's finally come to the point where we don't have a spot for him. It's a shame, because although he has a pretty hefty contract for his limited offensive ability- he really is one of the smartest guys out there.

I think you're right. Cheechoo definitely needs to play with Spezz. It has been a debate for a while and I think it's the only way to make it all come together. I'm again still not convinced about a Kovalev and Spezza pairing all year. I know that they can be awesome together, but they also can both turn over the puck pretty easily with their fancy dancy moves. It might not be the best scenario, but that's only my opinion.

I have to also reiterate that I would not push Winchester out of the lineup at all. He wins a lot of battles and it makes our 4th line nearly impossible to play against.

I would be inclined to tweak this lineup a bit to this maybe. There are so many scenarios, it's ridiculous.

Cheechoo-Spezza-Alfie
2A Michalek-Shannon-Kovalev
2B Foligno-Regin-Fisher
Ruutu-Winchester-Neil

If Kelly is still here, Regin isn't, it's the only way around it. So then Kelly would take Regin's spot, which I'm not sold on, but it could work...maybe...or maybe not. Tough one. Maybe you move Foligno to Center and put Cheechoo there with Fisher. I have no idea, there are too many options. Some good and some not so great.

I like this but I'd switch Shannon and Regin to keep the FFS line intact.

cloverleaf wrote:I don't think you see spezza with Cheechoo even though the last couple posters believe otherwise. You would be wasted your best pure offensive talent in spezza. Cheechoo is long gone and anyone that watches Western hockey knows that. There is a reason the trade went down te was it did. Although you think you may have added depth and you did with kovalev and michalek, cheechoo is a depth player you don't want at his salary.

cloverleaf wrote:I don't think you see spezza with Cheechoo even though the last couple posters believe otherwise. You would be wasted your best pure offensive talent in spezza. Cheechoo is long gone and anyone that watches Western hockey knows that. There is a reason the trade went down te was it did. Although you think you may have added depth and you did with kovalev and michalek, cheechoo is a depth player you don't want at his salary.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:I don't think you see spezza with Cheechoo even though the last couple posters believe otherwise. You would be wasted your best pure offensive talent in spezza. Cheechoo is long gone and anyone that watches Western hockey knows that. There is a reason the trade went down te was it did. Although you think you may have added depth and you did with kovalev and michalek, cheechoo is a depth player you don't want at his salary.

If the Ottawa media brings up his challenges as a kid trying to make it in hockey enough times and he is branded as "good in the community" he'll be viewed as a bargain in no time.

On-ice performance in Ottawa is only gravy.

cloverleaf wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:I don't think you see spezza with Cheechoo even though the last couple posters believe otherwise. You would be wasted your best pure offensive talent in spezza. Cheechoo is long gone and anyone that watches Western hockey knows that. There is a reason the trade went down te was it did. Although you think you may have added depth and you did with kovalev and michalek, cheechoo is a depth player you don't want at his salary.

If the Ottawa media brings up his challenges as a kid trying to make it in hockey enough times and he is branded as "good in the community" he'll be viewed as a bargain in no time.

On-ice performance in Ottawa is only gravy.

??? I know you can't be serious! A team full of wade reddens! Come on seriously. On ice doesn't matter, I have never heard that before in my life.

SensGirl11 wrote:Alright, so, I was thinking this morning about our situation here. It really isn't a bad situation to be in but it's difficult to predict how our lines will end up. I thought I had it all figured out the other day, but clearly with the emergence of the Foligno-Regin-Fisher line, everything has changed.

There is absolutely no way that Regin isn't making the team. Murray knows he has to do something and he's working on it. Whether anything is going to happen before the season starts is another question. Kelly's contract is pretty hefty, but he does bring a lot to the table, scoring clearly isn't one of those things, but that's not what he's about. It's not really someone I want to part with, but there really isn't any room for him anymore. He may even find himself on the 4th line for the time being.

Now...if we can trade him it is going to look like this.

I'm really not sure how the top line is going to work itself out, but we can all throw in our scenarios here.

Here is mine.

Michalek-Spezza-Kovalev - Still not convinced that Kovalev and Spezza can play a full year together..
2a) Foligno-Regin-Fisher LOCKED
2b)Cheechoo-Shannon-Alfie-->huge dillema. No idea where Alfie ends up now...Fun line though!
Ruutu-Winchester-Neil

Extra - Donovan

Now...Alfie is getting older, he need not play top line minutes anymore, we need him to be at his best and strongest all year. The only way he can do that is by playing 2nd line minutes, and 1st PPunit, IMO.

That's a pretty slick lineup right there. We would have to call the 2nd and 3rd lines 2A and 2B because that's really what it is with those guys. Our 4th line shall be called our 4th line.

IF Kelly doesn't get moved, we have such a big problem it's not even funny. Winchester cannot be pushed out of the lineup, IMO. He's done everything that was asked of him and more. It would be terrible to let him sit. Now, he might be someone a team asks about, but I personally wouldn't let him go. He's our best grinder along the boards, easily, since we lost Schaeffer.

Jordo wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

You might be right if he doesn't get his Dung together. I'm willing to give him a mulligan for a few games, but he really needs to start showing something. I have not been impressed yet at all. He might be better suited playing with Spezza. that might be the only way to get him going and get the most out of him.

A lot of us have been saying this since day 1. Michalek can create his own chances, so can Alfredsson and Kovalev.... Cheech definitely has finishing ability, when he's put in the right scenario. I'm inclined to do this:

Cheech-Spezz-Kovalev
Michalek-Shannon-Alfredsson
Fisher-Regin-Foligno
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Donovan
Winchester

I can also see Kelly being moved out- and as his biggest advocator on this site for a VERY long time, I think it's finally come to the point where we don't have a spot for him. It's a shame, because although he has a pretty hefty contract for his limited offensive ability- he really is one of the smartest guys out there.