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NEELY


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What are you even talking about?

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TheAvatar wrote:
NEELY wrote:Both are comments that didn't really need to be mentioned.  Didn't see the word "hope" anywhere either but the point was made and implied.  


Not sure what that means.  Are you referring to my comments?

No, referring to SSF. No clue what he's talking about at this point and then referring to me about some ill-advised or misguided comment about someones cancer? Pretty sure he's lost it.

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TheAvatar wrote:
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NEELY wrote:Nothing surprising about it, Murray and the team has made their choice.

lol

Lehner would be starting if they didn't have a huge break. Nothing to see here.

also Murray won't be around for much longer to make that choice so there really is nothing to see.

You don't know that.  Some people can survive for years with Stage IV  (some, not a lot Sad ) and by all measures, his treatment appears to be going well.

Edit : 5 year survival rate for Stage iv Colon cancer is 11%

Sorry that isn't what I meant. Apologies. I meant I think this will be his lat year as GM regardless. I think he steps down.

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That I agree with.

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Gentlemen, gentlemen, please. Let's just discuss how we're going to end Kessel's career tonight by snapping that fat lardo in half.

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Ev wrote:
TheAvatar wrote:
Ev wrote:
NEELY wrote:Nothing surprising about it, Murray and the team has made their choice.

lol

Lehner would be starting if they didn't have a huge break. Nothing to see here.

also Murray won't be around for much longer to make that choice so there really is nothing to see.

You don't know that.  Some people can survive for years with Stage IV  (some, not a lot Sad ) and by all measures, his treatment appears to be going well.

Edit : 5 year survival rate for Stage iv Colon cancer is 11%

Sorry that isn't what I meant. Apologies. I meant I think this will be his lat year as GM regardless. I think he steps down.

Ok. I might have reacted a bit quickly there as well ... apologies. I think that everyone wishes the best for his health. As I said before, now that I'm in the US, I had to buy the NHL Package and I seem to get the US feed most of the time. The Rangers commentary guys last night spent about 5 minutes talking about Bryan Murray and his health and they were very sympathetic to him; Only had nice things to say; I have heard some of that on just about every US feed of Sens games I've watched this year.

It's hard to do/say (but Neely has said it) but when looking at recent performance, you have to kind of disregard the health issue otherwise, you're stuck. To be honest, some of the questionable decisions (e.g.: trading Bishop for Conacher) predate the disease so if one wants to do a proper "appraisal", one must remain "neutral";

At the end of the day, the only way he's out is if steps down (maybe take a Sr. VP role). I can't see ownership firing him.

You also have to think that if he does manage to "dodge the bullet", his family will probably want him to change his focus ... who knows ...

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TheAvatar wrote:
Ev wrote:
TheAvatar wrote:
Ev wrote:
NEELY wrote:Nothing surprising about it, Murray and the team has made their choice.

lol

Lehner would be starting if they didn't have a huge break. Nothing to see here.

also Murray won't be around for much longer to make that choice so there really is nothing to see.

You don't know that.  Some people can survive for years with Stage IV  (some, not a lot Sad ) and by all measures, his treatment appears to be going well.

Edit : 5 year survival rate for Stage iv Colon cancer is 11%

Sorry that isn't what I meant. Apologies. I meant I think this will be his lat year as GM regardless. I think he steps down.

Ok.  I might have reacted a bit quickly there as well ... apologies.  I think that everyone wishes the best for his health.  As I said before, now that I'm in the US, I had to buy the NHL Package and I seem to get the US feed most of the time.  The Rangers commentary guys last night spent about 5 minutes talking about Bryan Murray and his health and they were very sympathetic to him; Only had nice things to say;   I have heard some of that on just about every US feed of Sens games I've watched this year.

It's hard to do/say (but Neely has said it) but when looking at recent performance, you have to kind of disregard the health issue otherwise, you're stuck.  To be honest, some of the questionable decisions (e.g.: trading Bishop for Conacher) predate the disease so if one wants to do a proper "appraisal", one must remain "neutral";

At the end of the day, the only way he's out is if steps down (maybe take a Sr. VP role).  I can't see ownership firing him.

You also have to think that if he does manage to "dodge the bullet", his family will probably want him to change his focus ... who knows ...

Bishop was traded in a soft market and Conacher seemed like a decent forward at the time. 20/20 hindsight and we basically got Turris and Ryan for nothing.

I'm sure hockey courses through the man's veins and he'll literally be in it until his dying day which I suspect is farther off than anyone can imagine. I'd bet too that he's less preoccupied with this health than he is with seeing this team win.

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TheAvatar wrote:
Ev wrote:
TheAvatar wrote:
Ev wrote:
NEELY wrote:Nothing surprising about it, Murray and the team has made their choice.

lol

Lehner would be starting if they didn't have a huge break. Nothing to see here.

also Murray won't be around for much longer to make that choice so there really is nothing to see.

You don't know that.  Some people can survive for years with Stage IV  (some, not a lot Sad ) and by all measures, his treatment appears to be going well.

Edit : 5 year survival rate for Stage iv Colon cancer is 11%

Sorry that isn't what I meant. Apologies. I meant I think this will be his lat year as GM regardless. I think he steps down.

Ok.  I might have reacted a bit quickly there as well ... apologies.  I think that everyone wishes the best for his health.  As I said before, now that I'm in the US, I had to buy the NHL Package and I seem to get the US feed most of the time.  The Rangers commentary guys last night spent about 5 minutes talking about Bryan Murray and his health and they were very sympathetic to him; Only had nice things to say;   I have heard some of that on just about every US feed of Sens games I've watched this year.

It's hard to do/say (but Neely has said it) but when looking at recent performance, you have to kind of disregard the health issue otherwise, you're stuck.  To be honest, some of the questionable decisions (e.g.: trading Bishop for Conacher) predate the disease so if one wants to do a proper "appraisal", one must remain "neutral";

At the end of the day, the only way he's out is if steps down (maybe take a Sr. VP role).  I can't see ownership firing him.

You also have to think that if he does manage to "dodge the bullet", his family will probably want him to change his focus ... who knows ...

He is the President of Hockey Ops and Alternate Governor as well, so it would be easy to step down I'd think.

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Ev wrote:

He is the President of Hockey Ops and Alternate Governor as well, so it would be easy to step down I'd think.

Is he still an alternate governor though? Didn't name somebody new last week ?

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Let the swirlery... BEGIN!!!!!

Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 3m3 minutes ago

Unconditional waivers: JAKUB CULEK OTT

Ahhhhh! Ahhhhh!

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SeawaySensFan wrote:Let the swirlery... BEGIN!!!!!

Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 3m3 minutes ago

Unconditional waivers: JAKUB CULEK OTT

Ahhhhh! Ahhhhh!

Does Culek have a contract that counts against our 50? I don't think so. Maybe they need to clear something for Greening?


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tim1_2 wrote:Gentlemen, gentlemen, please.  Let's just discuss how we're going to end Kessel's career tonight by snapping that fat lardo in half.

Lard doesn't snap.

Just throw his jersey over the glass ... with his still in it.


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wprager wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:Let the swirlery... BEGIN!!!!!

Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 3m3 minutes ago

Unconditional waivers: JAKUB CULEK OTT

Ahhhhh! Ahhhhh!

Does Culek have a contract that counts against our 50?  I don't think so.  Maybe they need to clear something for Greening?

Culek does indeed have a contract from what I could find.

http://senators.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=97246

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End of the line for Big Bert.

more to come

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Bishop was traded in a soft market and Conacher seemed like a decent forward at the time. 20/20 hindsight and we basically got Turris and Ryan for nothing.

When they traded for Conacher, he immediately became the Sens leading scorer. While the trade didn't work out, there was every reason to believe that this guy was going to be a quality player for the Sens. Trading your 3rd string goalie for your new leading scorer is a deal every GM will make.

All that to say that I agree with SSF, as usual.

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Source?

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TheAvatar wrote:Source?

Ottawa Senators (present and past) TIDBITS & QUICK HITS! - Page 5 852933671

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The Sens are so close to being a really good team, you can see it.  The biggest thing missing is the experience and obviously that's impossible to solve over night.  Down the middle they are deep and only getting better, do they have that typical PPG #1 center?  No they don't but neither does Chicago, Boston, and you can even add LA in there but Kopitar is pretty close to a PPG guy.  They are missing a LH center though and I am not sure what you would be willing to deal to get him (ROR) but it might be worth it.  I'll say this, if the Sens are not going to be picking in the top 10 in the draft then I think you can move that pick straight up for ROR and not worry.

On the wing I think they need that big body guy who can score some goals, not easy to find.  I think Kassian might be out there but if they can sign Stewart via UFA I think that's a solid move.  Other than that I think re-signing a guy like Condra is important and obviously moving out the dead weight in Greening is important.  

In net they are rock solid.

On D, they need 1 more guy if Methot is resigned.  I don't care if you like Methot on or off the ice, you can ignore what he means to Karlsson and how he has helped him find his game again.  Someone else said it yesterday I think but that and that alone is worth 5 x 5 perhaps but hopefully they can figure it out and lock him down.  It just moves everyone down a notch and again, adds depth.  

Methot/Karlsson
Cowen/Ceci
Boroweicki/Gryba
Wiercioch

That's not the blueline of the future, that's the blueline of the present and future. Only thing that is missing is a little offense from the left side of the point but hopefully with Phillips being on his way out he gets in a lot more going forward and can find his game.  Still struggles getting lost in the play.

If they go into next year with a lineup like this

Hoffman/Zibanejad/Ryan
MacArthur/Turris/Stone
Chaisson/ROR/Stewart
Michalek/Pageau/Neil
Condra (always finds his way into the lineup)

Having a LH center/winger is going to be extremely important though... not sure if it will be ROR himself but they need that.  On the way out I think is Smith, Greening, Legwand, and Phillips at some point and I think Lehner could be used as trade bait at this point. I also think Lazar starts the year in the AHL and finds some success down there first, he's the type of player that only works harder if so.

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