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SeawaySensFan wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I disagree, they knew he would be traded given his lack of NTC. It's gonna happen one day.

One day?  Sure.  Won't be in the next little while though.  Right now the Sens organization has very little confidence in Lehner which is a shame but that's how it's coming off and that's what has been said.  

Sometimes what you see is what you get and right now the Sens are giving everyone a healthy dose of Anderson and he's given no reason for anything else.

Great orginazational decision try like hell to finish 10th in the conference at the price of developing your players.  I hope Lehner is traded for his own sake, this organization has screwed his development since they put him in the AHL as a 19 year old.

The vast majority of the total ice time is going to young players. In fact, the organization has chosen to develop young players, as evidenced by one of the lowest average ages in the league, at the expense of securing a playoff berth.

These veterans you speak of have proven that they are not good enough as evidenced by the last 3 year.

You guys are making way too much of the comments made by Murray, he was asked if he was trying to make a bobby Ryan type of deal. What are you supposed to say? No, we're looking for a rental. This is silly. I'm sure he's making the calls like every other GM's out there trying to make his team better.
As for Lehner I think it's a bad move. Trading Lehner and keeping Anderson is taking the position that we are on the verge of competing.we still have a couple of years left of developing the guys on the current roster and even bringing up a couple more. By then Anderson is already on his way out. That's too much of a botch job.
You deal Anderson in the summer or at the deadline and you end up giving Lehner the playing time he needs and stand by him.
Right now Cameron is trying to win games, obviously he's gonna put the one that has been consistent. Players want to win as well, of course they are behind Anderson. By the deadline when it's clear we are not making it you can think of moving Anderson.
Any other scenario is short sighted to me. Plus right now Anderson has more value then Lehner .

I shudder at the thought of Smith coming back and taking Pageau's spot. It makes me physically ill.

Oglethorpe wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I disagree, they knew he would be traded given his lack of NTC. It's gonna happen one day.

One day?  Sure.  Won't be in the next little while though.  Right now the Sens organization has very little confidence in Lehner which is a shame but that's how it's coming off and that's what has been said.  

Sometimes what you see is what you get and right now the Sens are giving everyone a healthy dose of Anderson and he's given no reason for anything else.

Great orginazational decision try like hell to finish 10th in the conference at the price of developing your players.  I hope Lehner is traded for his own sake, this organization has screwed his development since they put him in the AHL as a 19 year old.

The vast majority of the total ice time is going to young players. In fact, the organization has chosen to develop young players, as evidenced by one of the lowest average ages in the league, at the expense of securing a playoff berth.

Only the injuries to Neil and Smith, along with the dismissal of MacLean have allowed the young player to play, it should have been the organizational plan right from the start of the year.

It has been. Neil has had the least amount of ice time per game with the exception of Greening. This has been one of the youngest teams in the league since day 1 so an injury to 2 of your least used players wouldn't change the fact that the vast majority of the ice time has gone to young players. The average age of your Top 6 forwards is under 25 and that's been consistent since Day One as well.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:It has nothing to do with Lehner "sucking it up", he needs to play.  You don't get better by watching from the sidelines or experience.  He comes in once every 2 weeks and is expected to play like a future #1/current #1, it doesn't happen like that.

Bruins went with Rask around the same age as Lehner now, same with Price, same with Crawford, same with Quick, they were all given the spots after showing the had the ability to be good to great #1's, they hadn't proven to be all world talents.  If they don't want to give the net to Lehner that's fine but he's doing no one any good being in the spot he's in now.

I don't think Lehner is in camp next year, I think that's the piece they move for a better option up front.

I'm not going to look any of this up but I'm fairly comfortable saying it anyway. Lehner probably plays what works out to being on average every 3rd game. Plenty for a back up to show what he's got.

Quick and Price had no competition and all the other guys, i believe, got the net at or around 25. So I stand by what I said. Lehner can wait another year or two and he has plenty of games to establish himself somewhat until his time comes.

Price had no competition? Huet was there for a while pushing, hell when Halak was there some wanted Price traded on the spot. Bernier in LA was supposed to be the next big thing but it ended up being Quick so that's completely fabricated on your end. Rask had plenty as well, same with Crawford.

Lehner isn't playing well enough to get in the net consistently right now but it isn't helping him being on the bench either. As for how often he has played, I think he's had 3 starts since Dec 20... little more than one every 3 games.

Stand by what you say all you want but you backed nothing up with fact and in some cases made some stuff up like "no competition".

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I disagree, they knew he would be traded given his lack of NTC. It's gonna happen one day.

One day?  Sure.  Won't be in the next little while though.  Right now the Sens organization has very little confidence in Lehner which is a shame but that's how it's coming off and that's what has been said.  

Sometimes what you see is what you get and right now the Sens are giving everyone a healthy dose of Anderson and he's given no reason for anything else.

Great orginazational decision try like hell to finish 10th in the conference at the price of developing your players.  I hope Lehner is traded for his own sake, this organization has screwed his development since they put him in the AHL as a 19 year old.

In the last year and a bit I agree, the organization has put Lehner in a position to fail and it's cost him IMO and obviously yours. AHL as a 19 year old he flourished so tough to really state they made a mistake there and coming from the AHL he was a guy capable of stealing games in the NHL.

Last 2 seasons has been a disaster for him though and a lot of that is on the organization. They have their guy in Anderson and have basically said as much and unless they are lying or being deceptive like some here are suggesting then I see no reason why you would keep Lehner around after this season.

Flo The Action wrote:You guys are making way too much of the comments made by Murray, he was asked if he was trying to make a bobby Ryan type of deal. What are you supposed to say? No, we're looking for a rental. This is silly. I'm sure he's making the calls like every other GM's out there trying to make his team better.
As for Lehner I think it's a bad move. Trading Lehner and keeping Anderson is taking the position that we are on the verge of competing.we still have a couple of years left of developing the guys on the current roster and even bringing up a couple more. By then Anderson is already on his way out. That's too much of a botch job.
You deal Anderson in the summer or at the deadline and you end up giving Lehner the playing time he needs and stand by him.
Right now Cameron is trying to win games, obviously he's gonna put the one that has been consistent. Players want to win as well, of course they are behind Anderson. By the deadline when it's clear we are not making it you can think of moving Anderson.
Any other scenario is short sighted to me. Plus right now Anderson has more value then Lehner .

If the organization believes Anderson is the guy for the next 3, 4 years (not your belief or mine) then why would they keep Lehner? You and I both believe it's a mistake along with some others to move Lehner but it's a bigger mistake to let him rot away on the bench with no chance of taking that #1 role. If anything has become clear over the last 2 seasons it's that Murray and both guys who have coached this team want Anderson in net.

I am taking things for how they appear right now because I don't think there is any reason to be deceptive. Ottawa has their goalie and they have another who wants to be what Anderson is now or better and probably can be... no good watching though.

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:It has nothing to do with Lehner "sucking it up", he needs to play.  You don't get better by watching from the sidelines or experience.  He comes in once every 2 weeks and is expected to play like a future #1/current #1, it doesn't happen like that.

Bruins went with Rask around the same age as Lehner now, same with Price, same with Crawford, same with Quick, they were all given the spots after showing the had the ability to be good to great #1's, they hadn't proven to be all world talents.  If they don't want to give the net to Lehner that's fine but he's doing no one any good being in the spot he's in now.

I don't think Lehner is in camp next year, I think that's the piece they move for a better option up front.

I'm not going to look any of this up but I'm fairly comfortable saying it anyway. Lehner probably plays what works out to being on average every 3rd game. Plenty for a back up to show what he's got.

Quick and Price had no competition and all the other guys, i believe, got the net at or around 25. So I stand by what I said. Lehner can wait another year or two and he has plenty of games to establish himself somewhat until his time comes.

Price had no competition?  Huet was there for a while pushing, hell when Halak was there some wanted Price traded on the spot.  Bernier in LA was supposed to be the next big thing but it ended up being Quick so that's completely fabricated on your end.  Rask had plenty as well, same with Crawford.

Lehner isn't playing well enough to get in the net consistently right now but it isn't helping him being on the bench either.  As for how often he has played, I think he's had 3 starts since Dec 20... little more than one every 3 games.  

Stand by what you say all you want but you backed nothing up with fact and in some cases made some stuff up like "no competition".

Huet was there for what? 1 year with Price. Bernier barely played when Quick got his start. Anyway, everything I said was bang on. Your bluster doesn't make you right. My facts and logic make me right. As usual.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:It has nothing to do with Lehner "sucking it up", he needs to play.  You don't get better by watching from the sidelines or experience.  He comes in once every 2 weeks and is expected to play like a future #1/current #1, it doesn't happen like that.

Bruins went with Rask around the same age as Lehner now, same with Price, same with Crawford, same with Quick, they were all given the spots after showing the had the ability to be good to great #1's, they hadn't proven to be all world talents.  If they don't want to give the net to Lehner that's fine but he's doing no one any good being in the spot he's in now.

I don't think Lehner is in camp next year, I think that's the piece they move for a better option up front.

I'm not going to look any of this up but I'm fairly comfortable saying it anyway. Lehner probably plays what works out to being on average every 3rd game. Plenty for a back up to show what he's got.

Quick and Price had no competition and all the other guys, i believe, got the net at or around 25. So I stand by what I said. Lehner can wait another year or two and he has plenty of games to establish himself somewhat until his time comes.

Price had no competition?  Huet was there for a while pushing, hell when Halak was there some wanted Price traded on the spot.  Bernier in LA was supposed to be the next big thing but it ended up being Quick so that's completely fabricated on your end.  Rask had plenty as well, same with Crawford.

Lehner isn't playing well enough to get in the net consistently right now but it isn't helping him being on the bench either.  As for how often he has played, I think he's had 3 starts since Dec 20... little more than one every 3 games.  

Stand by what you say all you want but you backed nothing up with fact and in some cases made some stuff up like "no competition".

Huet was there for what? 1 year with Price. Bernier barely played when Quick got his start. Anyway, everything I said was bang on. Your bluster doesn't make you right. My facts and logic make me right. As usual.

You know you called ol' Robert Leanord by his real name???

Tuukka Rask spent like 4 seasons as a backup in the NHL, not sure why all the fuss about Lehner playing 20-30 games

LeCaptain wrote:Tuukka Rask spent like 4 seasons as a backup in the NHL, not sure why all the fuss about Lehner playing 20-30 games

Pretty much.

LeCaptain wrote:Tuukka Rask spent like 4 seasons as a backup in the NHL, not sure why all the fuss about Lehner playing 20-30 games

I was just gonna post that.

Of course Murray wants to make another Bobby Ryan deal lol. We made out like bandits on that one. That was a slam dunk of a deal, let's do it again!

SpezDispensed wrote:Of course Murray wants to make another Bobby Ryan deal lol.  We made out like bandits on that one.  That was a slam dunk of a deal, let's do it again!

We're probably at the point where we've already promoted the best prospects (see the floundering Bingo SENS) and it's time for another deal or two for more established players to better support these youngsters and accelerate their development.

LET'S DO IT!!!

When you make deals like Bishop for Conacher, give away Brooks Laich, Trade the Captain of one of the All-Star teams for Marc "Meth man" Methot then you're also bound to hit a few home runs too.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:When you make deals like Bishop for Conacher, give away Brooks Laich, Trade the Captain of one of the All-Star teams for Marc "Meth man" Methot then you're also bound to hit a few home runs too.  

D'Oh!

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Of course Murray wants to make another Bobby Ryan deal lol.  We made out like bandits on that one.  That was a slam dunk of a deal, let's do it again!

We're probably at the point where we've already promoted the best prospects (see the floundering Bingo SENS)  and it's time for another deal or two for more established players to better support these youngsters and accelerate their development.

LET'S DO IT!!!

That's the plan I would imagine. We gutted Bingo in the last few years. Fair enough, that's what it's there for, but I personally didn't realize Dzingel would struggle with consistency so much, I thought he'd come out swinging. Guptill needs to adapt to the pro game, it'll take time, no harm there really. McMormick is a good prospect as well IMO, but like Dzingel he's struggling with consistency.

There are pieces there that are very attractive, I would imagine, but yes, it's almost time to turn some of them in for a more expensive model, a la Bobby Ryan.

I'm still not quite getting it. On what planet is Nick Foligno a captain of an All Star Team? Why is that?