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Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making. I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray. He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't. Who's the guy who has a lot of value? Fits the young mold? Still kind of a prospect? That's Lehner.

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now. The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future. No reason not to be either. Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I don't care if either guy goes. My personal preference? We keep both and Lehner sucks it up, makes the best of a bad situation and finds a way to win more games than he loses and take over when Anderson actually starts to show that he's truly declining. What's the big rush anyway? Would he be the first guy to have to wait til he's 25 to be the #1 after being a back up to start his career? "Probably not."

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I disagree, they knew he would be traded given his lack of NTC. It's gonna happen one day.

It has nothing to do with Lehner "sucking it up", he needs to play. You don't get better by watching from the sidelines or experience. He comes in once every 2 weeks and is expected to play like a future #1/current #1, it doesn't happen like that.

Bruins went with Rask around the same age as Lehner now, same with Price, same with Crawford, same with Quick, they were all given the spots after showing the had the ability to be good to great #1's, they hadn't proven to be all world talents. If they don't want to give the net to Lehner that's fine but he's doing no one any good being in the spot he's in now.

I don't think Lehner is in camp next year, I think that's the piece they move for a better option up front.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I disagree, they knew he would be traded given his lack of NTC. It's gonna happen one day.

One day?  Sure.  Won't be in the next little while though. Right now the Sens organization has very little confidence in Lehner which is a shame but that's how it's coming off and that's what has been said.

Sometimes what you see is what you get and right now the Sens are giving everyone a healthy dose of Anderson and he's given no reason for anything else.

NEELY wrote:It has nothing to do with Lehner "sucking it up", he needs to play.  You don't get better by watching from the sidelines or experience.  He comes in once every 2 weeks and is expected to play like a future #1/current #1, it doesn't happen like that.

Bruins went with Rask around the same age as Lehner now, same with Price, same with Crawford, same with Quick, they were all given the spots after showing the had the ability to be good to great #1's, they hadn't proven to be all world talents.  If they don't want to give the net to Lehner that's fine but he's doing no one any good being in the spot he's in now.

I don't think Lehner is in camp next year, I think that's the piece they move for a better option up front.

I'm not going to look any of this up but I'm fairly comfortable saying it anyway. Lehner probably plays what works out to being on average every 3rd game. Plenty for a back up to show what he's got.

Quick and Price had no competition and all the other guys, i believe, got the net at or around 25. So I stand by what I said. Lehner can wait another year or two and he has plenty of games to establish himself somewhat until his time comes.

NEELY is Skip Bayless of gmhockey

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making. I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray. He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't. Who's the guy who has a lot of value? Fits the young mold? Still kind of a prospect? That's Lehner.

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now. The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future. No reason not to be either. Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

The team is 100% behind Anderson at the moment because they are clinging to the belief they are ready to compete and still make a run at the playoffs. If they ever accept the fact that the team isn't a tweak away from being a true contender then they can let the younger players develop. This summer we will have a new GM and the fact of the matter is that he has to get the simple fact through to Melnyk that it will be a couple years before the team competes for the conference title and that patience is needed. Lehner will be the number 1 next year with Anderson traded in the summer unless some team offers up a young star and insists that Lehner is part of the package coming back.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I disagree, they knew he would be traded given his lack of NTC. It's gonna happen one day.

One day?  Sure.  Won't be in the next little while though. Right now the Sens organization has very little confidence in Lehner which is a shame but that's how it's coming off and that's what has been said.

Sometimes what you see is what you get and right now the Sens are giving everyone a healthy dose of Anderson and he's given no reason for anything else.

Great orginazational decision try like hell to finish 10th in the conference at the price of developing your players. I hope Lehner is traded for his own sake, this organization has screwed his development since they put him in the AHL as a 19 year old.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:And if Murray is serious about a Ryan type deal, Lehner is a pretty obvious trade piece and I dislike saying that.

Let's not forget that the only thing we really gave up for Ryan was a 1st rd pick. Silfverberg is a top-nine forward who we sold 'high'. He's done virtually nothing since joining Anaheim. Noesen, right now and at the time of the trade, was nothing more than a prospect with injury problems. We got killed on the 1st since it was assumed our 1st rd pick would be a lot later (thinking we would make the playoffs with the Spezza-Ryan combo). I imagine any 'Ryan' type deal is either a 1st and a prospect, or a 2nd, prospect, and roster player. We also have to consider that Euge is about to buy out Greening and probably doesn't want to add salary without some going back the other way.

We have to assume ROR, Eberle, Boedker are on the Sens radar. Not really sure who else is willing to part with a top-six forward at this time a year.

Ottawa 1st (top five pick), Wiercioch, and Puempel probably gets the Eberle/ROR deal done. Not sure if I would do it.

 

I think people have forgotten because they keep insisting that we'd give something significant up for ROR. That 1st round pick, by the way, is Nick Ritchie, who will probably do about as much in the NHL as Lionel Richie.

Of course Nick Ritchie will do nothing in the NHL, he isn't 35 years old.

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I disagree, they knew he would be traded given his lack of NTC. It's gonna happen one day.

One day?  Sure.  Won't be in the next little while though.  Right now the Sens organization has very little confidence in Lehner which is a shame but that's how it's coming off and that's what has been said.  

Sometimes what you see is what you get and right now the Sens are giving everyone a healthy dose of Anderson and he's given no reason for anything else.

Great orginazational decision try like hell to finish 10th in the conference at the price of developing your players.  I hope Lehner is traded for his own sake, this organization has screwed his development since they put him in the AHL as a 19 year old.

The vast majority of the total ice time is going to young players. In fact, the organization has chosen to develop young players, as evidenced by one of the lowest average ages in the league, at the expense of securing a playoff berth.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I disagree, they knew he would be traded given his lack of NTC. It's gonna happen one day.

One day?  Sure.  Won't be in the next little while though.  Right now the Sens organization has very little confidence in Lehner which is a shame but that's how it's coming off and that's what has been said.  

Sometimes what you see is what you get and right now the Sens are giving everyone a healthy dose of Anderson and he's given no reason for anything else.

Great orginazational decision try like hell to finish 10th in the conference at the price of developing your players.  I hope Lehner is traded for his own sake, this organization has screwed his development since they put him in the AHL as a 19 year old.

The vast majority of the total ice time is going to young players. In fact, the organization has chosen to develop young players, as evidenced by one of the lowest average ages in the league, at the expense of securing a playoff berth.

Only the injuries to Neil and Smith, along with the dismissal of MacLean have allowed the young player to play, it should have been the organizational plan right from the start of the year.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't disagree, I think Lehner is a star in the making.  I won't ignore the obvious though and that's the Sens, Murray, Cameron, previously MacLean, all going with Anderson and will continue to do so as per Murray.  He believes it's insane to talk about trading Anderson and with that mentality he won't.  Who's the guy who has a lot of value?  Fits the young mold?  Still kind of a prospect?  That's Lehner.  

You can view Lehner how you want just as I do, that's a future star #1 but don't ignore what's actually happening right now.  The team is 100% behind Anderson now and in the future.  No reason not to be either.  Lehner situation is completely independent of Anderson's, they just happen to play the same position.

I disagree, they knew he would be traded given his lack of NTC. It's gonna happen one day.

One day?  Sure.  Won't be in the next little while though.  Right now the Sens organization has very little confidence in Lehner which is a shame but that's how it's coming off and that's what has been said.  

Sometimes what you see is what you get and right now the Sens are giving everyone a healthy dose of Anderson and he's given no reason for anything else.

Great orginazational decision try like hell to finish 10th in the conference at the price of developing your players.  I hope Lehner is traded for his own sake, this organization has screwed his development since they put him in the AHL as a 19 year old.

The vast majority of the total ice time is going to young players. In fact, the organization has chosen to develop young players, as evidenced by one of the lowest average ages in the league, at the expense of securing a playoff berth.

These veterans you speak of have proven that they are not good enough as evidenced by the last 3 year.

You guys are making way too much of the comments made by Murray, he was asked if he was trying to make a bobby Ryan type of deal. What are you supposed to say? No, we're looking for a rental. This is silly. I'm sure he's making the calls like every other GM's out there trying to make his team better.
As for Lehner I think it's a bad move. Trading Lehner and keeping Anderson is taking the position that we are on the verge of competing.we still have a couple of years left of developing the guys on the current roster and even bringing up a couple more. By then Anderson is already on his way out. That's too much of a botch job.
You deal Anderson in the summer or at the deadline and you end up giving Lehner the playing time he needs and stand by him.
Right now Cameron is trying to win games, obviously he's gonna put the one that has been consistent. Players want to win as well, of course they are behind Anderson. By the deadline when it's clear we are not making it you can think of moving Anderson.
Any other scenario is short sighted to me. Plus right now Anderson has more value then Lehner .

I shudder at the thought of Smith coming back and taking Pageau's spot. It makes me physically ill.