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SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Let's call a spade a spade here.  That's one Cussing lazy dude.  He could have comes back after his first great season with MacLean and continued to play that strong game, but he didn't.

Fine, you got paid by Dallas, go nance around the ice and collect your points.  Glad it's not here.

For sure. Last thing we need is someone putting up points on this team.

Haha, that's the very singular last thing you need here. A guy that floats around teaching the young players that it's A-OK to play an 80 foot game, maybe 100 if the spirit really gets him.

It was even a better idea when he was Captain.

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Let's call a spade a spade here.  That's one Cussing lazy dude.  He could have comes back after his first great season with MacLean and continued to play that strong game, but he didn't.

Fine, you got paid by Dallas, go nance around the ice and collect your points.  Glad it's not here.

For sure. Last thing we need is someone putting up points on this team.

Haha, that's the very singular last thing you need here.  A guy that floats around teaching the young players that it's A-OK to play an 80 foot game, maybe 100 if the spirit really gets him.

Has nothing to with Spezza. Let's not pretend we couldn't use some more production from someone. Anyone.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Let's call a spade a spade here.  That's one Cussing lazy dude.  He could have comes back after his first great season with MacLean and continued to play that strong game, but he didn't.

Fine, you got paid by Dallas, go nance around the ice and collect your points.  Glad it's not here.

For sure. Last thing we need is someone putting up points on this team.

Haha, that's the very singular last thing you need here.  A guy that floats around teaching the young players that it's A-OK to play an 80 foot game, maybe 100 if the spirit really gets him.

Has nothing to with Spezza. Let's not pretend we couldn't use some more production from someone. Anyone.

For sure, but you don't want a 'role model' like that around the youth we have.

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Let's call a spade a spade here.  That's one Cussing lazy dude.  He could have comes back after his first great season with MacLean and continued to play that strong game, but he didn't.

Fine, you got paid by Dallas, go nance around the ice and collect your points.  Glad it's not here.

For sure. Last thing we need is someone putting up points on this team.

Haha, that's the very singular last thing you need here.  A guy that floats around teaching the young players that it's A-OK to play an 80 foot game, maybe 100 if the spirit really gets him.

Has nothing to with Spezza. Let's not pretend we couldn't use some more production from someone. Anyone.

For sure, but you don't want a 'role model' like that around the youth we have.  

"Probably not." But he's long gone so that's neither here nor there. I'm just saying we could sure use a player, not named Spezza, who could give us something close to the points that went out the door when he left.

Maybe one of our role-model-worthy players will step up in the second half or two or three guys can make up the difference "by committee." That, coupled with our new found defensive prowess, should translate into a real step forward for this team.

SpezDispensed wrote:Let's call a spadeR a spadeR here.  That's one Cussing lazy dude.  He could have comes back after his first great season with MacLean and continued to play that strong game, but he didn't.

Fine, you got paid by Dallas, go nance around the ice and collect your points.  Glad it's not here.

What are you trying to say?

spader wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Let's call a spadeR a spadeR here.  That's one Cussing lazy dude.  He could have comes back after his first great season with MacLean and continued to play that strong game, but he didn't.

Fine, you got paid by Dallas, go nance around the ice and collect your points.  Glad it's not here.

What are you trying to say?  

Not sure how that can be anything but a glove slap. It's. On.

Fight! Fight! Fight!

some of our young guys will develop into point producers, give em time. there's lot to factor in. i'm just glad we're seeing production at all. some people fail completely to make the big jump. that was a belief around here about hoffman not too long ago, stone is finding his way, zib is working towards it, Chiasson still has some things to figure out. Hoffman wil keep growing. right now the fact is we are so green that we're reallying on guys like turris and mac to lead this team when really they'd be more 2nd line players on a good team. of course we're struggling. just relax and it will come. maybe make a trade in the off season to bring in an older vet with hopefully cup pedigree and term left on his deal and that should help a lot.
gonna have to adress methot too i suppose. either trade him and use assets to replace him or resign him(hopefully we ca get a 3 year done, nothing too comfortable.)

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Let's call a spade a spade here.  That's one Cussing lazy dude.  He could have comes back after his first great season with MacLean and continued to play that strong game, but he didn't.

Fine, you got paid by Dallas, go nance around the ice and collect your points.  Glad it's not here.

For sure. Last thing we need is someone putting up points on this team.

Haha, that's the very singular last thing you need here.  A guy that floats around teaching the young players that it's A-OK to play an 80 foot game, maybe 100 if the spirit really gets him.

Has nothing to with Spezza. Let's not pretend we couldn't use some more production from someone. Anyone.

People seem to keep forgetting that a 24 year old AHL callup is leading this team in goals. I really like Hoffman but the chances of him keeping this up are slim. No problem with him playing third line minutes and if he can score a bunch of goals from there -- fantastic! But due to his size this is not a player you can lean on for ES/PP/PK, 18+ minutes and 100+ games, to go deep in the playoffs. Hoffman is great secondary scoring but he should not be leading the team -- that indicates a problem.

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Let's call a spade a spade here.  That's one Cussing lazy dude.  He could have comes back after his first great season with MacLean and continued to play that strong game, but he didn't.

Fine, you got paid by Dallas, go nance around the ice and collect your points.  Glad it's not here.

For sure. Last thing we need is someone putting up points on this team.

Haha, that's the very singular last thing you need here.  A guy that floats around teaching the young players that it's A-OK to play an 80 foot game, maybe 100 if the spirit really gets him.

Has nothing to with Spezza. Let's not pretend we couldn't use some more production from someone. Anyone.

People seem to keep forgetting that a 24 year old AHL callup is leading this team in goals.  I really like Hoffman but the chances of him keeping this up are slim.  No problem with him playing third line  minutes and if he can score a bunch of goals from there -- fantastic!  But due to his size this is not a player you can lean on for ES/PP/PK, 18+ minutes and 100+ games, to go deep in the playoffs.  Hoffman is great secondary scoring but he should not be leading the team -- that indicates a problem.

I know I'm basically saying the same thing using different words but your #1 Center should not be on pace for 52 pts. either. How's that for a problem?

A couple of tidbits with potentially negative financial implications for the Senatores. Travel costs could soar for the B-Sens with 5 teams moving to the West Coast from locations closer to Binghamton:

The teams moving their affiliates are Los Angeles, from Manchester to Ontario, Calif; Edmonton, from Oklahoma City to Bakersfield, Calif;. San Jose, from Worcester, to San Jose; Anaheim, purchasing the franchise in Norfolk and shipping it to San Diego; and Calgary, packing up in Glens Falls in favor of Stockton, Calif.

http://www.syracuse.com/crunch/index.ssf/2015/01/american_hockey_league_fanchise_shifts_could_be_announced_this_week_according_to.html

If that wasn't bad enough for the bottom line, dollar dogs will be served at the CTC until 7 pm tonight.

wprager wrote:
People seem to keep forgetting that a 24 year old AHL callup is leading this team in goals.  I really like Hoffman but the chances of him keeping this up are slim.  No problem with him playing third line  minutes and if he can score a bunch of goals from there -- fantastic!  But due to his size this is not a player you can lean on for ES/PP/PK, 18+ minutes and 100+ games, to go deep in the playoffs.  Hoffman is great secondary scoring but he should not be leading the team -- that indicates a problem.

I have a couple of problems with this. First, his size is the reason that you can't count on him to play in most situations, get decent ice time, and play a whole season plus playoffs? Source? I literally have no idea how you came to that conclusion. You know who is small, but plays in all situations and plays a ton of time? He's an NHL defenseman and a former Norris winner. See if you can guess who I mean.

Second, when you say he shouldn't be leading the team, I just want to point out that he'd be leading most teams with those numbers. He has more goals than a pile of household name guys (including Crosby). I'm not sure if you're suggesting that other Sens should be ahead of him or if his goal scoring is an illusion that'll dry up faster than you can say "Fernando Pisani." Can you clarify?

Yes, and as a deenseman it's perfectly legitimate for him to stay at the blue line and not go in front of the net or into the corners to dig the puck out. Hoffman doesn't have that luxury. Plus Hoffman is not Erik Karlsson.

Bottom line is Hoffman is playing 10-12 minutes a night and producing. Will he produce more if he played 15-18 minutes a night? Who knows. But after watching this game for the last 40+ years (that I can remember) I've sen only a handful players that size who were big contributors, and most of that was back in the old day before 6'0" players started being considered undersized.

Crosby is not a goal scorer, he's more of a set-up man. How many assists does Hoffman have?

Look, I'm not trying to push this guy down, but we have a former #2 overall in Ryan who has scored 30+ four times, another former #2 overall in Turris, a former 35-goal scorer in Michalek and Hoffman is leading the team in goals. That's a sad state of affairs. Kudos to Mike, but not so good for the team that had playoff aspirations.

SeawaySensFan wrote:A couple of tidbits with potentially negative financial implications for the Senatores. Travel costs could soar for the B-Sens with 5 teams moving to the West Coast from locations closer to Binghamton:

The teams moving their affiliates are Los Angeles, from Manchester to Ontario, Calif; Edmonton, from Oklahoma City to Bakersfield, Calif;. San Jose, from Worcester, to San Jose; Anaheim, purchasing the franchise in Norfolk and shipping it to San Diego; and Calgary, packing up in Glens Falls in favor of Stockton, Calif.

http://www.syracuse.com/crunch/index.ssf/2015/01/american_hockey_league_fanchise_shifts_could_be_announced_this_week_according_to.html

If that wasn't bad enough for the bottom line, dollar dogs will be served at the CTC until 7 pm tonight.

Well, California getting its boost of hockey it seams. Maybe Binghamton isn't the right place for our affiliate.

wprager wrote:Yes, and as a deenseman it's perfectly legitimate for him to stay at the blue line and not go in front of the net or into the corners to dig the puck out.  Hoffman doesn't have that luxury.  Plus Hoffman is not Erik Karlsson.

Bottom line is Hoffman is playing 10-12 minutes a night and producing.  Will he produce more  if he played 15-18 minutes a night?  Who knows.  But after watching this game for the last 40+ years (that I can remember) I've sen only a handful players that size who were big contributors, and most of that was back in the old day before 6'0" players started being considered undersized.

The game is changing old man! With physicality being more and more taken out of the game most analysts are saying it will open up room for smaller faster player. Mmmhhhh I see a connection.

wprager wrote:Crosby is not a goal scorer, he's more of a set-up man.  How many assists does Hoffman have?

Look, I'm not trying to push this guy down, but we have a former #2 overall in Ryan who has scored 30+ four times, another former #2 overall in Turris, a former 35-goal scorer in Michalek and Hoffman is leading the team in goals.  That's a sad state of affairs.  Kudos to Mike, but not so good for the team that had playoff aspirations.

6 seasons of 30+ goals. Come on.