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SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

That's probably because I think we're about...one top line forward maybe two top line forwards, but I think that's probably overkill.

And then time for the kids to mature. That's it IMO. Maybe you replace Zibanejad with a top tiered C, but that's easier said than done and probably short sighted.

I forgot stone who I wouldn't trade unless the offer was amazing.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF. Not much left after that other than scraps.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

I just think that if you're serious about building a winner, your untouchable list has to be really, really short. Everyone knows who the less desirable pieces are and, ironically, trading them doesn't even do a whole lot to improve what you have anyway.

4th youngest team in the league.

I am not disappointed by this year as it was about what I was expecting. I figured their D was weak without Methot and that there was no #1 center on the team. That makes winning very difficult. Still, the team is very competitive most nights but just have not figured out what it takes to win on a consistent basis.

If they resign Methot, I feel their top 4 (3/65/2/5) can be a very good top 4 in a year or two. Essentially, the team has to replace Spezza (circa 2009) before the team will get back to being a consistent winner and challenge for tops in the division.

Pretty much, yeah. Even Boro and Gryba form a great shutdown pair, so your d is more or less set. Maybe a little less mobile than you'd hope, but pretty solid.

I think you can get away with Turris, Zibanejad and lazar/Pageau down the middle if you add a top line winger, it comes down to how Zibanejad develops from here I guess.

Another bobby Ryan and some time to mature and this is a pretty solid team. Certainly no reason to blow things up - that's been done already pretty much.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though. Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.

No need to do anything crazy right now. Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.

No way Murray lets Methot walk off for free... that's just a matter of time thing. I think they will use every second they can until the deadline to sign him but if they don't he's being shipped out.

That is indeed what I meant by they have to deal with it one way or the other.

No part of me wants Methot moved, but if he is, we'd better be getting a 1st back for him.

What are the chances we can pry JVR out of Toronto?

SpezDispensed wrote:What are the chances we can pry JVR out of Toronto?

Zero. They won't get rid of him.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:What are the chances we can pry JVR out of Toronto?

Zero. They won't get rid of him.

Diddle them in the ear then.

SpezDispensed wrote:What are the chances we can pry JVR out of Toronto?

Refer to the Dreglund™ chart.

I'd rather ask my cat what he thinks.

SpezDispensed wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though.  Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.  

No need to do anything crazy right now.   Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.  

If a big time forward is available you have to really consider shortening your untouchable list considerably.

As far as cutting the fat, that applies to teams that need cap space or to make room for NHL ready prospects that are getting too ripe for the AHL. Neither of those factors apply to Ottawa.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though.  Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.  

No need to do anything crazy right now.   Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.  

If a big time forward is available you have to really consider shortening your untouchable list considerably.

As far as cutting the fat, that applies to teams that need cap space or to make room for NHL ready prospects that are getting too ripe for the AHL. Neither of those factors apply to Ottawa.

I'd like to see Robinson, Schneider, Puempel, Prince, Claesson and Wideman. The latter two are screwed I think with the D we have, depth etc., but if they can trim the fat of Phillips and Wiercioch, I think we could see both of those guys gets a game or two or more to show what they have.

If you can get rid of Legwand, then you can put Lazar in his position I guess and take a look at a revolving series of the aforementioned players.

Really...what in the world do we have to lose by doing this?

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though.  Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.  

No need to do anything crazy right now.   Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.  

If a big time forward is available you have to really consider shortening your untouchable list considerably.

As far as cutting the fat, that applies to teams that need cap space or to make room for NHL ready prospects that are getting too ripe for the AHL. Neither of those factors apply to Ottawa.

I'd like to see Robinson, Schneider, Puempel, Prince, Claesson and Wideman. The latter two are screwed I think with the D we have, depth etc., but if they can trim the fat of Phillips and Wiercioch, I think we could see both of those guys gets a game or two or more to show what they have.

If you can get rid of Legwand, then you can put Lazar in his position I guess and take a look at a revolving series of the aforementioned players.

Really...what in the world do we have to lose by doing this?

It's important to be patient though. Sens are one of the youngest teams in the league. In a few years we're going to kick ourselves when Kane is demanding a trade out of the city and Mark Stone is putting up 50 points a season, and playing a very responsible two-way game. I totally agree you need to trim the fat - Legwand, Neil, Phillips, Wiercioch, Smith, Greening should be the focus at this year's trade deadline. I would take whatever you can for them, a bit more for Philly and Neil considering they're long-time vets and fan favourites. But I don't think we need to push the panic button and trade our future when it's our vets that have been this team's worst players.

If Ottawa can orchestrate a Joe Thornton (to SJ) or Dion Phaneuf (to TO) type trade then you do it. Where you deal NHL roster players and your money in and out virtually washes. Trading futures to add a high risk, mediocre award type player like Kane is ludicrous. Problem with Winnipeg is their core players are signed long-term and they have a ton of depth at every position, so you can't really offer them anything aside from picks, and even then they have Ehlers, Petan, Morrissey, Comrie, Klingberg in the minors as it is.

Hence why Kane doesn't make sense. Eberle/Hall make sense. We have the players that Edmonton needs. There's room in Edm for toughness (Smith), defensive depth (Wiercioch), vet leadership (Legwand), and a cornerstone goalie (Lehner). A trade with the Oilers makes way more sense than a trade with the Jets. Sure it may cost you more but the risk of Kane is enough for teams to not want him. My guess he becomes a Leaf and they overpay dearly for him (Gardiner, Kadri +)