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SeawaySensFan


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SpezDispensed wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though.  Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.  

No need to do anything crazy right now.   Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.  

If a big time forward is available you have to really consider shortening your untouchable list considerably.

As far as cutting the fat, that applies to teams that need cap space or to make room for NHL ready prospects that are getting too ripe for the AHL. Neither of those factors apply to Ottawa.

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though.  Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.  

No need to do anything crazy right now.   Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.  

If a big time forward is available you have to really consider shortening your untouchable list considerably.

As far as cutting the fat, that applies to teams that need cap space or to make room for NHL ready prospects that are getting too ripe for the AHL. Neither of those factors apply to Ottawa.

I'd like to see Robinson, Schneider, Puempel, Prince, Claesson and Wideman. The latter two are screwed I think with the D we have, depth etc., but if they can trim the fat of Phillips and Wiercioch, I think we could see both of those guys gets a game or two or more to show what they have.

If you can get rid of Legwand, then you can put Lazar in his position I guess and take a look at a revolving series of the aforementioned players.

Really...what in the world do we have to lose by doing this?

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SpezDispensed wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though.  Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.  

No need to do anything crazy right now.   Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.  

If a big time forward is available you have to really consider shortening your untouchable list considerably.

As far as cutting the fat, that applies to teams that need cap space or to make room for NHL ready prospects that are getting too ripe for the AHL. Neither of those factors apply to Ottawa.

I'd like to see Robinson, Schneider, Puempel, Prince, Claesson and Wideman. The latter two are screwed I think with the D we have, depth etc., but if they can trim the fat of Phillips and Wiercioch, I think we could see both of those guys gets a game or two or more to show what they have.

If you can get rid of Legwand, then you can put Lazar in his position I guess and take a look at a revolving series of the aforementioned players.

Really...what in the world do we have to lose by doing this?

It's important to be patient though. Sens are one of the youngest teams in the league. In a few years we're going to kick ourselves when Kane is demanding a trade out of the city and Mark Stone is putting up 50 points a season, and playing a very responsible two-way game. I totally agree you need to trim the fat - Legwand, Neil, Phillips, Wiercioch, Smith, Greening should be the focus at this year's trade deadline. I would take whatever you can for them, a bit more for Philly and Neil considering they're long-time vets and fan favourites. But I don't think we need to push the panic button and trade our future when it's our vets that have been this team's worst players.

If Ottawa can orchestrate a Joe Thornton (to SJ) or Dion Phaneuf (to TO) type trade then you do it. Where you deal NHL roster players and your money in and out virtually washes. Trading futures to add a high risk, mediocre award type player like Kane is ludicrous. Problem with Winnipeg is their core players are signed long-term and they have a ton of depth at every position, so you can't really offer them anything aside from picks, and even then they have Ehlers, Petan, Morrissey, Comrie, Klingberg in the minors as it is.

Hence why Kane doesn't make sense. Eberle/Hall make sense. We have the players that Edmonton needs. There's room in Edm for toughness (Smith), defensive depth (Wiercioch), vet leadership (Legwand), and a cornerstone goalie (Lehner). A trade with the Oilers makes way more sense than a trade with the Jets. Sure it may cost you more but the risk of Kane is enough for teams to not want him. My guess he becomes a Leaf and they overpay dearly for him (Gardiner, Kadri +)

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SpezDispensed wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though.  Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.  

No need to do anything crazy right now.   Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.  

If a big time forward is available you have to really consider shortening your untouchable list considerably.

As far as cutting the fat, that applies to teams that need cap space or to make room for NHL ready prospects that are getting too ripe for the AHL. Neither of those factors apply to Ottawa.

I'd like to see Robinson, Schneider, Puempel, Prince, Claesson and Wideman.  The latter two are screwed I think with the D we have, depth etc., but if they can trim the fat of Phillips and Wiercioch, I think we could see both of those guys gets a game or two or more to show what they have.

If you can get rid of Legwand, then you can put Lazar in his position I guess and take a look at a revolving series of the aforementioned players.

Really...what in the world do we have to lose by doing this?
Classic spez...

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though.  Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.  

No need to do anything crazy right now.   Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.  

If a big time forward is available you have to really consider shortening your untouchable list considerably.

As far as cutting the fat, that applies to teams that need cap space or to make room for NHL ready prospects that are getting too ripe for the AHL. Neither of those factors apply to Ottawa.

I'd like to see Robinson, Schneider, Puempel, Prince, Claesson and Wideman.  The latter two are screwed I think with the D we have, depth etc., but if they can trim the fat of Phillips and Wiercioch, I think we could see both of those guys gets a game or two or more to show what they have.

If you can get rid of Legwand, then you can put Lazar in his position I guess and take a look at a revolving series of the aforementioned players.

Really...what in the world do we have to lose by doing this?

It's important to be patient though. Sens are one of the youngest teams in the league. In a few years we're going to kick ourselves when Kane is demanding a trade out of the city and Mark Stone is putting up 50 points a season, and playing a very responsible two-way game. I totally agree you need to trim the fat - Legwand, Neil, Phillips, Wiercioch, Smith, Greening should be the focus at this year's trade deadline. I would take whatever you can for them, a bit more for Philly and Neil considering they're long-time vets and fan favourites. But I don't think we need to push the panic button and trade our future when it's our vets that have been this team's worst players.

If Ottawa can orchestrate a Joe Thornton (to SJ) or Dion Phaneuf (to TO) type trade then you do it. Where you deal NHL roster players and your money in and out virtually washes. Trading futures to add a high risk, mediocre award type player like Kane is ludicrous. Problem with Winnipeg is their core players are signed long-term and they have a ton of depth at every position, so you can't really offer them anything aside from picks, and even then they have Ehlers, Petan, Morrissey, Comrie, Klingberg in the minors as it is.

Hence why Kane doesn't make sense. Eberle/Hall make sense. We have the players that Edmonton needs. There's room in Edm for toughness (Smith), defensive depth (Wiercioch), vet leadership (Legwand), and a cornerstone goalie (Lehner). A trade with the Oilers makes way more sense than a trade with the Jets.  Sure it may cost you more but the risk of Kane is enough for teams to not want him. My guess he becomes a Leaf and they overpay dearly for him (Gardiner, Kadri +)

I wouldn't trade Stone in a package for Kane personally. Kane is a Richard and I dislike his character immensely, but it's a chance you can take if the price is right. I don't really think Winnipeg cares about futures coming back, if need be they can flip some of that at the deadline for another veteran.

I'd take Eberle in a big way though, always really liked him and I think we can wash off the stink of failure over time.

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Flo The Action wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:I wouldn't trade Ceci, Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, lazar and I wouldn't see the point on moving MacArthur or Lehner unless it was a slam dunk.  

The rest id think about, some more than others obviously.

That's an awful long list for a team that should basically be blown to smithereens.

Agreed SSF.  Not much left after that other than scraps.

That's all you have to do right now though.  Sure, if a big time forward is available you have to make a decision with stone or Hoffman or Zibanejad or whoever, but right now its about cutting the fat - ie getting assets of any kind for legwand, Phillips, smith, Wiercioch if a decent offer comes up and Neil if someone offers you a ton or he says he wants to win.  

No need to do anything crazy right now.   Methot needs to be dealt with as well one way or another.  

If a big time forward is available you have to really consider shortening your untouchable list considerably.

As far as cutting the fat, that applies to teams that need cap space or to make room for NHL ready prospects that are getting too ripe for the AHL. Neither of those factors apply to Ottawa.

I'd like to see Robinson, Schneider, Puempel, Prince, Claesson and Wideman.  The latter two are screwed I think with the D we have, depth etc., but if they can trim the fat of Phillips and Wiercioch, I think we could see both of those guys gets a game or two or more to show what they have.

If you can get rid of Legwand, then you can put Lazar in his position I guess and take a look at a revolving series of the aforementioned players.

Really...what in the world do we have to lose by doing this?
Classic spez...

Why not? The guy can score at the AHL level, why not take a look at him. Plus, he's apparently put on 8 or so pounds of muscle.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123570&encode=TRUE

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Lots of guys in the minors deserve a shot. Some will probably never got one - at least not with this organization.

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Lots of guys in the minors deserve a shot. Some will probably never got one - at least not with this organization.

Probably least deserving on that list is Scheider, but it still remains that I would like to see him one or two games.

Ev

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Just like Corey Locke. When's he gonna get his shot. Damn you NHL you can't you see the greatness of Corey Locke?!

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And Ol' Denis Hamel.


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Ev wrote:Just like Corey Locke. When's he gonna get his shot. Damn you NHL you can't you see the greatness of Corey Locke?!

What's your point? He got his shot, didn't make it.

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Lots of guys in the minors deserve a shot. Some will probably never got one - at least not with this organization.

With probably 28 or 29 organizations they wouldn't see a shot.

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SpezDispensed wrote:
Ev wrote:Just like Corey Locke. When's he gonna get his shot. Damn you NHL you can't you see the greatness of Corey Locke?!

What's your point?  He got his shot, didn't make it.

he never got a shot. because he didn't deserve one

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NEELY wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Lots of guys in the minors deserve a shot. Some will probably never got one - at least not with this organization.

With probably 28 or 29 organizations they wouldn't see a shot.


Who are you referring to from who I wrote in that post?

Robinson, Puempel, Schneider, Prince, Claesson and Wideman?

NEELY


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Schneider probably wouldn't see any time unless on a bottom feeder (he might get that in Ottawa on the same though) and probably neither would Robinson.

There are players like them scattered throughout the AHL and Europe so them not getting a shot in Ottawa isn't the end of the world. They might deserve a look and yah, in a year like this I think everyone wants to seem them get a look but lets not pretend these guys would be knocking on the door every NHL team.

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Schneider might not, but Robinson...there's no reason a team that signs a guy like that and loves the look of him wouldn't take a look at him in a lost year. He'll get a few games I would imagine.

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Robinson is probably one of those guys who'll need 4 years or more in the AHL. He was very, very green. But also very, very big and quite fast for a big guy. And he showed some moves that made me raise my eyebrow and want to see more.

Also all this talk about trimming the fat with Wiercioch, I thought he showed much better speed in the last game. I haven't been keeping an eye on him but some time earlier in the season he looked like he was lumbering down the ice. Last game, while I wouldn't say he was "flying" he was certainly at the same level as Methot and Cowen. I wonder if he could have been nursing an injury. Remember there was one time he was sat out, earlier, and they said he was injured, and we all thought they were just rotating people through the IR to make room.


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SeawaySensFan

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Ev wrote:Just like Corey Locke. When's he gonna get his shot. Damn you NHL you can't you see the greatness of Corey Locke?!

Around the same time Matt Foy gets a shot.

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