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Ev wrote:well yeah in a vacuum I would move Ryan for Hall 100% without a doubt, but we need to add not add + subtract our scorers

Don't think he was serious.

You know the Oilers need a few thing though, one being a young goalie with the chance to be a #1, a legit D man, some character and depth up the middle...

Again Lazar and Lehner in a deal for Hall would make a lot of sense for both teams.

Zibanejad makes more sense to move from the Sens perspective. They can control Lazar for longer and he might be the better player any way. Also don't think it would be good for PR to move him at this point.

I agree with Zibanejad moving vs Lazar... but I am thinking what the Oilers would insist on. They need a Lazar type, not sure they need a Zibanejad type. But again I don't think it ever happens so...

Ev wrote:Zibanejad makes more sense to move from the Sens perspective. They can control Lazar for longer and he might be the better player any way. Also don't think it would be good for PR to move him at this point.

It would be pretty good PR to bring in Hall, though. If you're trading the best player in the deal, you probably are the one making the demands. I guess Lazar would have more cachet than Zibanejad but either player would fit and Edmonton would probably, in fact, get more instant gratification if they got Zibanejad.

Just my opinion but again, I believe they would insist on Lazar. WJC captain, player for the Oil Kings, western boy, tons of character... I know if it was me I would be insisting on Lazar vs Zibanejad.

I'd move Lazar and Lehner for Hall personally. I too doubt it happens and would think they'd want a D man more than they'd want Lazar so it would more likely be Lehner, Ceci.

NEELY wrote:Just my opinion but again, I believe they would insist on Lazar.  WJC captain, player for the Oil Kings, western boy, tons of character... I know if it was me I would be insisting on Lazar vs Zibanejad.

Naturally, I'm sure the Oilers would insist on Lazar and murry would just as surely try to substitute someone, or something, else. For instance, would he offer to trade down to the PIT pick and offer the OTT pick to sweeten a non-Lazar option?

Lot's of people on Chrip's comment section are saying they'd rather trade Lazar than the 2015 1st rounder. I disagree with that. I really like the idea of what Lazar can be in 3-5 years.

Colon Greening escapes the waiver wire... for now...

TheAvatar wrote:Lot's of people on Chrip's comment section are saying they'd rather trade Lazar than the 2015 1st rounder.  I disagree with that.  I really like the idea of what Lazar can be in 3-5 years.

Agreed. If I had to choose I'd trade the pick over Lazar for sure.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Colon Greening escapes the waiver wire... for now...

Phew! I was up all night worried about that.

By worried I mean. Couldn't care less and by up all night I mean I woke up twice because my daughter was scared of the dark and otherwise slept like a baby.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:Lot's of people on Chrip's comment section are saying they'd rather trade Lazar than the 2015 1st rounder.  I disagree with that.  I really like the idea of what Lazar can be in 3-5 years.

Agreed.  If I had to choose I'd trade the pick over Lazar for sure.

Depends where it falls... if it's out of the top 10 then yah, you move that 1st rounder but in the same breath if it's out of the top 10 then that pick also loses value.

If you are Edmonton you can't take picks anymore, you need more of a sure thing. I think everyone here is in agreement that it's not going to happen but I could not see a deal getting done for Hall without Lazar and Lehner being part of it.

As for trading Ceci in a deal for Hall, I wouldn't trade Ceci straight up for Hall and I am being serious. Ceci is only going to get better and he's already a pretty damn good D man right now, his numbers would be better too if he wasn't playing behind Karlsson. Not sure I would trade Ceci for anyone in the NHL right now short of that type of D man coming back ie Doughty, Petrangelo, etc. Teams are always looking for top 4 D men, top 2 D men... Ottawa might have 3 or 4 top 2 D men in short order.

Id trade anyone on the team aside from Karlsson before Ceci... I was never a fan of the pick when it was made other than "we'll see what he becomes I guess". Wasn't a huge fan when he played for the 67's... I couldn't be a bigger supporter or fan of Ceci at this point, he does everything right and that's not even taking into account the kind of effect he will have off the ice as an Ottawa boy both short and long term.

The majority of fans aren't realizing that Lazar is 19 and is never going to put up 80-100 points. IMO he's the next Dustin Brown - he'll score you 20 goals a year but can play against top lines, kill penalties, and be a leader on the ice.

He's the perfect 2nd/3rd line versatile player who can win faceoffs, score greasy goals, and lay out big hits.

He's not ready for the NHL - he will be in another year or two. But Sens fans shouldn't be so quick to trade him. He's finding his way and, away from the puck, already looks like a vet.

Quick to trade him? Who wants to trade him? We are talking about Taylor Hall who could have 40, 50 goal seasons in him and fills a need on the left side that the Sens won't be filling unless they trade for it or draft.

You need to give quality to get quality and Lazar is 100% quality, he will never, ever be Taylor Hall though. That's what this is about. If you are talking about Eberle, Yakupov, RNH... no chance but this whole convo was about Taylor Hall and what it would take.

NEELY wrote:Quick to trade him? Who wants to trade him? We are talking about Taylor Hall who could have 40, 50 goal seasons in him and fills a need on the left side that the Sens won't be filling unless they trade for it or draft.

You need to give quality to get quality and Lazar is 100% quality, he will never, ever be Taylor Hall though. That's what this is about. If you are talking about Eberle, Yakupov, RNH... no chance but this whole convo was about Taylor Hall and what it would take.

Hall also has a pretty murky injury history, no? And I wouldn't take MacArthur away from Turris or break up the Bobby Ryan line. Where would he fit in?

A skate cut his face, kind of fluke. Then he gets dinged up because he plays hard and the Oilers even lean on him harder.

Hall would fit anywhere and yah, you move MacArthur away from Turris if you get Hall or move him beside Zibanejad, w/e, doesn't matter. He would be the best forward in Ottawa right away... Ryan would be close but Hall is on another level at this point and is still extremely young.

If you can get a deal done with Lazar/Zibanejad and Lehner for Hall then you make that deal right now. That said anything more than that and you start depleting your depth in the organization and create other holes which IMO wouldn't be worth it. Fill a hole to make another isn't the best idea.

Ottawa's backup goalie and as of right now their #5 center (Lazar will be a top 6 guy though) for one of the most dynamic and complete wingers in the game capable of leading the NHL in goals... no brainer.

My concern is I imagine Hoffman will get paid this off-season. I'd prefer to give up our 1st rounder than Lazar. Actually I'm not sure. Edmonton probably covets Lazar more than the 1st (Oil King, Western Boy, etc). I guess the same can be said for Stone though.

So what's more valualble? Stone, Lazar, or our 1st (assume 10th overall)