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NEELY wrote:Quick to trade him? Who wants to trade him? We are talking about Taylor Hall who could have 40, 50 goal seasons in him and fills a need on the left side that the Sens won't be filling unless they trade for it or draft.

You need to give quality to get quality and Lazar is 100% quality, he will never, ever be Taylor Hall though. That's what this is about. If you are talking about Eberle, Yakupov, RNH... no chance but this whole convo was about Taylor Hall and what it would take.

Hall also has a pretty murky injury history, no? And I wouldn't take MacArthur away from Turris or break up the Bobby Ryan line. Where would he fit in?

A skate cut his face, kind of fluke. Then he gets dinged up because he plays hard and the Oilers even lean on him harder.

Hall would fit anywhere and yah, you move MacArthur away from Turris if you get Hall or move him beside Zibanejad, w/e, doesn't matter. He would be the best forward in Ottawa right away... Ryan would be close but Hall is on another level at this point and is still extremely young.

If you can get a deal done with Lazar/Zibanejad and Lehner for Hall then you make that deal right now. That said anything more than that and you start depleting your depth in the organization and create other holes which IMO wouldn't be worth it. Fill a hole to make another isn't the best idea.

Ottawa's backup goalie and as of right now their #5 center (Lazar will be a top 6 guy though) for one of the most dynamic and complete wingers in the game capable of leading the NHL in goals... no brainer.

My concern is I imagine Hoffman will get paid this off-season. I'd prefer to give up our 1st rounder than Lazar. Actually I'm not sure. Edmonton probably covets Lazar more than the 1st (Oil King, Western Boy, etc). I guess the same can be said for Stone though.

So what's more valualble? Stone, Lazar, or our 1st (assume 10th overall)

To Edmonton? Lazar by a mile which is why I am talking about him in a trade for Hall. I view this site as a little more realistic than some other places the Sens Chirp, HF, wherever else. Lazar and Lehner for Hall makes a hell of a lot of sense if Ottawa actually is making a move for Hall and Edmonton is willing to trade Hall (which they aren't IMO and obviously most people's).

There's just no way Edmonton would ever do a deal for Hall that didn't involve both those Ottawa players.

offer was made? doubt it will be accepted. lehner has to be in there and i imagine cowen has to be in there. they might want to bring in a C as you guys have mentioned. if we are to ship a C i don't know, i want something back. 3 NHL players for hall? they need to adress C D and G. do it in one fell swoop?
unless we're sending legwand, which would be a coup from murray. I could get on the boat for Hall. it's elite player in a trade it's always worth it. swing murray swing!!!

If you start adding guys like Cowen to a deal that would involve 2 bluechip guys like Lehner and Lazar then you shy away. It would just create a hug hole on Ottawa's blueline and that's counter productive.

NEELY wrote:If you start adding guys like Cowen to a deal that would involve 2 bluechip guys like Lehner and Lazar then you shy away.  It would just create a hug hole on Ottawa's blueline and that's counter productive.

What if the third player is Legwand? He's still got a couple productive years to teach the kids in Edmonton.

As long as EDM still gets a top 2 pick, they'd be stupid not to make the trade. Imagine going into next season with Lazar, Lehner, McDavid. We'd probably have to give up a prospect/player as well. Say, we add in Wiercioch and a Prince. Would you still do it?

To Ottawa:
Hall, Scrivens

To Edmonton:
Lazar, Lehner, Wiercioch, Prince

Edmonton would look real good on paper.

If you want Taylor Hall the minimum value Edmonton would take is Lehner, Lazar and 1st.
Combination of Hall being their best player and their management being stubborn as Diddle

If Ottawa finished out of the top 10 in terms of where they pick then yah, throw them that draft pick, might as well. Or even just flip it with the Pitt draft pick... moving up 10 spots in this draft does have a ton of value as well.

At the end of the day the player you will get from that draft won't be better than Taylor Hall, and Lazar can be replaced in the future. IN the meantime,your top 6 for the next 5 years are:
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Ryan
Hall - Turris - McArthur

Pretty damn worth it.

Not at all sold on Zibanejad and equally worried about Hal's stigma as 'umcoachable'. I clearly understand why people would want him, but you better know why kind of character you're adding at that price.

LeCaptain wrote:At the end of the day the player you will get from that draft won't be better than Taylor Hall, and Lazar can be replaced in the future. IN the meantime,your top 6 for the next 5 years are:
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Ryan
Hall - Turris - McArthur

Pretty damn worth it.

I think you can get a player as good as Hall in the top 10 if they pick the right guy. That said he won't be as good as Hall for 3, 4 years and you want to be back in the playoffs before that.

I still think you can flip the picks (Pitt and Ottawa's) but that's being picky (pun intended). I think Hall for Lazar, Lehner, 1st is about as good as you can get and that sets Ottawa up for years.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:As long as EDM still gets a top 2 pick, they'd be stupid not to make the trade. Imagine going into next season with Lazar, Lehner, McDavid. We'd probably have to give up a prospect/player as well. Say, we add in Wiercioch and a Prince. Would you still do it?

To Ottawa:
Hall, Scrivens

To Edmonton:
Lazar, Lehner, Wiercioch, Prince

Edmonton would look real good on paper.

I would do that deal no problem but i doubt edmonton agrees to it.

Flo The Action wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:As long as EDM still gets a top 2 pick, they'd be stupid not to make the trade. Imagine going into next season with Lazar, Lehner, McDavid. We'd probably have to give up a prospect/player as well. Say, we add in Wiercioch and a Prince. Would you still do it?

To Ottawa:
Hall, Scrivens

To Edmonton:
Lazar, Lehner, Wiercioch, Prince

Edmonton would look real good on paper.

I would do that deal no problem but i doubt edmonton agrees to it.

LET'S DO IT!!!!

NEELY wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:At the end of the day the player you will get from that draft won't be better than Taylor Hall, and Lazar can be replaced in the future. IN the meantime,your top 6 for the next 5 years are:
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Ryan
Hall - Turris - McArthur

Pretty damn worth it.

I think you can get a player as good as Hall in the top 10 if they pick the right guy.  That said he won't be as good as Hall for 3, 4 years and you want to be back in the playoffs before that.  

I still think you can flip the picks (Pitt and Ottawa's) but that's being picky (pun intended).  I think Hall for Lazar, Lehner, 1st is about as good as you can get and that sets Ottawa up for years.

what about switching the 1st for Weir and dallas's 2nd? really want to hold on to that 1st...

If Edmonton doesn't go for that particular deal or sub in Wiercioch and Prince with a 1st round pick then you just don't do it.

I don't think you do it period. Uncoachable guys are killers, if that's true you stay away.

Plus, the stink of failure is all over this guy.