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tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

Just because he doesn't get a bunch of PP time doesn't mean he isn't capable.  All you have to do is watch him when he's out there and you see that he's really good at it.

He's alright. He's certainly not at Karlsson or Green level.

SpezDispensed wrote:Again, no use in acquiring a righty.  Ceci needs the time to continue to develop with top 4 minutes.   If you let Methot go, you need to replace him.

Not hard to do.

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

Just because he doesn't get a bunch of PP time doesn't mean he isn't capable.  All you have to do is watch him when he's out there and you see that he's really good at it.

He's alright. He's certainly not at Karlsson or Green level.

Doesn't have to be. Ceci is Cody Ceci which is exactly what they need from their 2nd pairing, 20 min a night D man.

Anyways, everyone loves Ceci and this is just semantics at this point.

NEELY wrote:I think he would have seen more time but with 2 righties on the point it's hard to set up the one timer.  He's a fantastic 2nd option on the 2nd unit or if Karlsson is out for one reason or another.  

Anyways, there's one QB in Ottawa and it's Karlsson.

Montreal's league leading PP for several years had like 2 lefty defensemen (Markov plus Souray/Streit/Bergeron). You just need the forwards to be a threat down there so the defense don't just stand in front of Karlsson.

I like having the one time option on the point. Yah it can work with two righties/lefties but it's much easier to run when the points can switch sides at any given time and show a different look.

A big part of that MTL PP was Souray's shot... opens up a lot of options with that hammer.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Again, no use in acquiring a righty.  Ceci needs the time to continue to develop with top 4 minutes.   If you let Methot go, you need to replace him.

Not hard to do.

I'm pretty sure you were just explaining to us why it's important for the Sens to pony up and keep Meth?

It's important to have a guy that can play with Karlsson for sure but it's not hard to replace Methot if he's asking for a 25 million dollar contract. Methot and Karlsson are a good to great pair but lets be reasonable when talking about the two.

Methot is not a guy you can sign for 5, 6 years. Karlsson has shown the ability to play with anyone capable of playing top 4 mins on the blueline as well.

Methot is a solid Dman, he works with Karlsson, all things being equal the best option for the Sens going forward is to keep that pairing together. That said you are crippling yourself if you extend Methot for 5, 6 years at 5 million per.

I said somewhere else the Sens would be better off giving him a 6 mil x 3 year deal vs 5 x 5 or 5 x 6. For that kind of contract you need someone who can carry a pairing by himself and IMO that is not Methot. Only D man on the market I would give that to is Boychuk.

A super long term deal for Methot like 5 or 6 years... it wouldn't be long until people are talking about him like people are talking about Phillips today.

I dunno how Meth would respond to having a long-term deal. Murray is intimately familiar with him now, and we all know how Murray values character. I trust Murray to make the right call here.

dennycrane wrote:
If you can replace Methot fine but look at EK's play with Methot. You have something that works after trying and failing for three months with different pieces.

In building a team, build from the net out. Done. Then build the D. A top 4 of 3/65/2/5 could be a very good one in 1-2 years time. If the team can get a #1 center (which they don't currently have), the Sens could be a contender in a couple of years.

The team was beginning to turn it around when Borowiecki went down. Karlsson was struggling when paired up with Phillips, and I think it is because he tried to play both sides of the ice. He started becoming the "good Karlsson" playing with Borowiecki. He's also been good playing with Wiercioch, although on a much smaller sample size. Fact is "trying and failing for three months with different pieces" is not correct.

Fact is Methot is key to the future success of this franchise.

He's either our #2 defenceman for many more years to come or the key to acquiring that center/top-three forward that we have coveted for some time.

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

Look at his PP TOI over the last 5 games, though:
Carolina: 22 seconds (3 PP chances)
Rangers: 47 seconds (2 chances)
Leafs: 1:13 (2 chances)
Dallas: 3:20 (5 chances)
Arizona: 4:42 (5 chances).

If you have 5 power-plays and a D plays 4:42 I'd say he's on the first unit.  He may be averaging 1 minute for the year but he's been used much more recently.  Still not doing much (1G + 1A in January) but the ice time is certainly there.

NEELY wrote:I think he would have seen more time but with 2 righties on the point it's hard to set up the one timer.  He's a fantastic 2nd option on the 2nd unit or if Karlsson is out for one reason or another.  

Anyways, there's one QB in Ottawa and it's Karlsson.

Gonchar and Karlsson did pretty well when they put them together on the point for a few games. I could never understand why they undid that change. So, yeah, two righties can certainly work if one is setting the other up for one-timers. The only problem is that Ceci isn't used to playing the right side. Maybe that should change -- at least for the PP.

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

Look at his PP TOI over the last 5 games, though:
Carolina: 22 seconds (3 PP chances)
Rangers: 47 seconds (2 chances)
Leafs: 1:13 (2 chances)
Dallas: 3:20 (5 chances)
Arizona: 4:42 (5 chances).

If you have 5 power-plays and a D plays 4:42 I'd say he's on the first unit.  He may be averaging 1 minute for the year but he's been used much more recently.  Still not doing much (1G + 1A in January) but the ice time is certainly there.

that was only because 4 powerplays were in the same period. He isn't on the first unit.

He was that one game.

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

Look at his PP TOI over the last 5 games, though:
Carolina: 22 seconds (3 PP chances)
Rangers: 47 seconds (2 chances)
Leafs: 1:13 (2 chances)
Dallas: 3:20 (5 chances)
Arizona: 4:42 (5 chances).

If you have 5 power-plays and a D plays 4:42 I'd say he's on the first unit.  He may be averaging 1 minute for the year but he's been used much more recently.  Still not doing much (1G + 1A in January) but the ice time is certainly there.

that was only because 4 powerplays were in the same period. He isn't on the first unit.

Prags, your stats are lying to you again. Don't go all 6th Sens on us, trying to be some sort of #fancystats guru.

Those are straight TOI stats. Nothing fancy about them. You play 4:42 of 10 PP minutes and that's first unit in my books. Even if Karlsson was out there for all 10

BTW, Ryan Malone on waivers. SD, over to you.

P.S. No, you will never live it down.