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Oduya would be a perfect option beside Karlsson and he won't be commanding 5 x 5 either.

If you want to offer big time money like that for a partner for Karlsson you better find a guy who has a little offense too and Methot doesn't. Boychuk is also a way better option.

Fact is Methot won't get 5 x 5 anywhere other than maybe Philly because the cap is potentially coming down and teams are going to have to deal with that first.

Ev wrote:

dennycrane wrote:If you let Methot go, the team's immediate priority becomes signing a 'player like Marc Methot'. I expect this will be done by next week.

What has the team done with Methot in the lineup? Have they ever been dominant or anything like that? I don't think it's a big loss if he leaves. The last two years with Methot has resulted in below average playoff team, 10th last, and another bottom 10 finish. If you put another guy with Karlsson, it may take some getting used to and some growing pains, but I don't think the Sens are worse off because of it. It's not like a Cup contender losing their top pairing guy.

If you can replace Methot fine but look at EK's play with Methot. You have something that works after trying and failing for three months with different pieces.

In building a team, build from the net out. Done. Then build the D. A top 4 of 3/65/2/5 could be a very good one in 1-2 years time. If the team can get a #1 center (which they don't currently have), the Sens could be a contender in a couple of years.

dennycrane wrote:

Ev wrote:

dennycrane wrote:If you let Methot go, the team's immediate priority becomes signing a 'player like Marc Methot'. I expect this will be done by next week.

What has the team done with Methot in the lineup? Have they ever been dominant or anything like that? I don't think it's a big loss if he leaves. The last two years with Methot has resulted in below average playoff team, 10th last, and another bottom 10 finish. If you put another guy with Karlsson, it may take some getting used to and some growing pains, but I don't think the Sens are worse off because of it. It's not like a Cup contender losing their top pairing guy.

If you can replace Methot fine but look at EK's play with Methot. You have something that works after trying and failing for three months with different pieces.

In building a team, build from the net out. Done. Then build the D. A top 4 of 3/65/2/5 could be a very good one in 1-2 years time. If the team can get a #1 center (which they don't currently have), the Sens could be a contender in a couple of years.

The 6th Sens had a piece up last week that showed Wiercioch has actually been better with Karlsson than anybody else. I'm not big advanced stats but it was interesting.

Look at Karlsson's play with Kuba... won a Norris. It's a crock saying Karlsson is better with Methot than anyone else, it's not true and it's been proven.

Methot isn't worth 5 million a year on a 5 year deal 100% healthy, let alone with his injury history and bad back. There are way better options than Methot at 5 x 5 or more. That and he won't get it this time around because no team is going to give him that kind of term and dough taking into consideration the cap. If somehow he does get that money I hope the Flyers tank.

NEELY wrote:Oduya would be a perfect option beside Karlsson and he won't be commanding 5 x 5 either.  

It's funny because my son and I were saying the same thing when Methot was injured.

Again, tons of options throughout the league to "replace" Methot. Just because we didn't have the internal depth or viable options in the organization doesn't mean none exist anywhere in the NHL.

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too. I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here. To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Ev wrote:

dennycrane wrote:

Ev wrote:

dennycrane wrote:If you let Methot go, the team's immediate priority becomes signing a 'player like Marc Methot'. I expect this will be done by next week.

What has the team done with Methot in the lineup? Have they ever been dominant or anything like that? I don't think it's a big loss if he leaves. The last two years with Methot has resulted in below average playoff team, 10th last, and another bottom 10 finish. If you put another guy with Karlsson, it may take some getting used to and some growing pains, but I don't think the Sens are worse off because of it. It's not like a Cup contender losing their top pairing guy.

If you can replace Methot fine but look at EK's play with Methot. You have something that works after trying and failing for three months with different pieces.

In building a team, build from the net out. Done. Then build the D. A top 4 of 3/65/2/5 could be a very good one in 1-2 years time. If the team can get a #1 center (which they don't currently have), the Sens could be a contender in a couple of years.

The 6th Sens had a piece up last week that showed Wiercioch has actually been better with Karlsson than anybody else. I'm not big advanced stats but it was interesting.

There are a ton of better options than Methot signed for 5 years, tons. It could be an internal replacement, it could be a UFA signing, it could be a trade but the team that gives Methot a 25 million dollar deal or more is going to be eating it hard in years 3, 4, and 5.

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

Hell even a Beauchemin would look good beside Karlsson for a year or two while other guys work their way up the roster. Methot isn't a dime a dozen D man but LH, stay at home D men are fairly easy to find.

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

That's a fair statement but lets be honest, if Karlsson doesn't play in front of him he probably sees a lot more time on the point on the PP then he has to this point.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

That's a fair statement but lets be honest, if Karlsson doesn't play in front of him he probably sees a lot more time on the point on the PP then he has to this point.

I don't totally agree because he could easily play the left point like he has his entire career.

I am protesting for this to happen, enough with forwards on the left point. Let's see what Ceci and our terrible PP can do giving him top PP minutes.

I think he would have seen more time but with 2 righties on the point it's hard to set up the one timer. He's a fantastic 2nd option on the 2nd unit or if Karlsson is out for one reason or another.

Anyways, there's one QB in Ottawa and it's Karlsson.

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

Just because he doesn't get a bunch of PP time doesn't mean he isn't capable. All you have to do is watch him when he's out there and you see that he's really good at it.

Again, no use in acquiring a righty. Ceci needs the time to continue to develop with top 4 minutes. If you let Methot go, you need to replace him.

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

Just because he doesn't get a bunch of PP time doesn't mean he isn't capable.  All you have to do is watch him when he's out there and you see that he's really good at it.

He's alright. He's certainly not at Karlsson or Green level.

SpezDispensed wrote:Again, no use in acquiring a righty.  Ceci needs the time to continue to develop with top 4 minutes.   If you let Methot go, you need to replace him.

Not hard to do.

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet

Uhhh, yeah he can, and he's really good at it too.  I dunno why this Mike Green talk started, but there is no way in hell he's coming here.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore a whole slew of facts.

Not yet. He only averages about a minute of PP time. When he truly can play PP he will be with Karlsson on the top unit. They are easing him in.

Just because he doesn't get a bunch of PP time doesn't mean he isn't capable.  All you have to do is watch him when he's out there and you see that he's really good at it.

He's alright. He's certainly not at Karlsson or Green level.

Doesn't have to be. Ceci is Cody Ceci which is exactly what they need from their 2nd pairing, 20 min a night D man.

Anyways, everyone loves Ceci and this is just semantics at this point.