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SpezDispensed wrote:Yeah, Kuba had a great year before he declined - mostly due to age.  He reminded me of Redden a bit in that he took hits, but quietly made plays, but then ultimately broke down.

Still think Methot is by far the best option on Karlsson's left, not only because of his track record there, but the fact that it gives us a really solid, young D core with Karlsson, Cowen, Ceci, Boro, Gryba and Claesson in the wings.

And there's also very few D-men who hit the market every year, less every year I'd say, so it becomes a nightmare to try to replace.

Kuba was let go the year Karlsson won the Norris.

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NEELY wrote:Again, Kuba was with him when he won a Norris.  The ability to play with Karlsson is getting beyond stupid, he was great before Methot he will be fine without him.

And Kuba would cost over 5M plus term in this market.

Maybe, maybe not but there would have been better options for 5 mil than Kuba, just like there are better options than Methot for 5 mil.

Methot is a top 4 D man playing with a world class player, arguably the best D man in the world. Just like Komisarek should have thanked Markov for his millions, Methot should do the same. Extremely apt comparison.

Mike green isn't a third pairing dman lol

Green isn't a 3rd pairing D man no but there's no way he would play ahead of Ceci and Karlsson in Ottawa... think that was the point.

NEELY wrote:Green isn't a 3rd pairing D man no but there's no way he would play ahead of Ceci and Karlsson in Ottawa... think that was the point.  

I was referring to spez d. Yes he would play over ceci thoug, at least in th shorter future. We'd have the best right side in the league. Best PP tandem probably as well.

That I don't agree with at all. Ceci is a better player than Green at this point and will continue to be. Not only that he's much more responsible as a D man and much more complete than Green which is what you want playing behind a guy like Karlsson.

Most teams don't have the luxury of Ceci or Karlsson on either side so that's not a shot at Green, that's just the strength of Ottawa's right side.

Ceci has barely played a season of hockey. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. He's got a long way to go.

Long way to go for what? To be a super star? Yah he does. To be a legit top 4 NHL D man? He's there and then some. This is coming from someone who had no interest in the guy before he put on a Sens jersey and had serious reservations about the player. Ceci is a fantastic NHL D man at this point, a little sheltered behind Karlsson but a solid top 4 D man none the less.

Green isn't the player Ceci is now let alone next year and there after. Completely disagree with your take on Ceci vs Green and I don't think there is a lot to say otherwise other than the overall body of work in terms of the points Green has put up in the past.

Ev wrote:Ceci has barely played a season of hockey. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. He's got a long way to go.

Long way to go? When you're the same as Nick Lidstrom, I'd say you're already there...

NEELY wrote:Long way to go for what?  To be a super star?  Yah he does.  To be a legit top 4 NHL D man?  He's there and then some.  This is coming from someone who had no interest in the guy before he put on a Sens jersey and had serious reservations about the player.  Ceci is a fantastic NHL D man at this point, a little sheltered behind Karlsson but a solid top 4 D man none the less.

Green isn't the player Ceci is now let alone next year and there after.  Completely disagree with your take on Ceci vs Green and I don't think there is a lot to say otherwise other than the overall body of work in terms of the points Green has put up in the past.

I think you're off-base here but whatever. Ceci has yet to become a player of Green's calibre and I think you're overrating his own-zone play so far in his early career. Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet or have as much of an offensive presence as Green can. As a team that needs offense, Green would be a huge add for our back-end.

This coming from somebody who likes Ceci and was never too high on Green. I'm not knocking Ceci, I feel our team would be stacked with Ceci as the third option.

If you're letting Methot go the focus should be on a lefty who can play top line minutes.

If you let Methot go, the team's immediate priority becomes signing a 'player like Marc Methot'. I expect this will be done by next week.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Long way to go for what?  To be a super star?  Yah he does.  To be a legit top 4 NHL D man?  He's there and then some.  This is coming from someone who had no interest in the guy before he put on a Sens jersey and had serious reservations about the player.  Ceci is a fantastic NHL D man at this point, a little sheltered behind Karlsson but a solid top 4 D man none the less.

Green isn't the player Ceci is now let alone next year and there after.  Completely disagree with your take on Ceci vs Green and I don't think there is a lot to say otherwise other than the overall body of work in terms of the points Green has put up in the past.

I think you're off-base here but whatever. Ceci has yet to become a player of Green's calibre and I think you're overrating his own-zone play so far in his early career. Ceci can't play on the powerplay yet or have as much of an offensive presence as Green can. As a team that needs offense, Green would be a huge add for our back-end.

This coming from somebody who likes Ceci and was never too high on Green. I'm not knocking Ceci, I feel our team would be stacked with Ceci as the third option.

I think Ceci moves the puck a little better than Green even if the overall offense might not be as good, I also put a ton of stock into a D man that can skate the puck out of trouble which IMO Green has a tough time doing at times for an offensive guy.

Anyways, both guys are top 4 righties but I prefer a safer player who is capable of putting up some good offensive numbers and rock solid in his own zone vs a guy who is mostly all offense even if his defensive game has some around some in the past little bit.

We won't even talk about salary... we both know who the better bang for the buck is there and I don't think that's very debatable.

Methot signed for 5 years will become an anchor of a contract, you can look around the league and find them all over. Imagine if Phillips was making 5 mil this year... the sky would be falling.

There are other guys out there as good as Methot for a lot less money. Karlsson has turned another partner into a better player than he ever could have been without him.

dennycrane wrote:If you let Methot go, the team's immediate priority becomes signing a 'player like Marc Methot'. I expect this will be done by next week.

What has the team done with Methot in the lineup? Have they ever been dominant or anything like that? I don't think it's a big loss if he leaves. The last two years with Methot has resulted in below average playoff team, 10th last, and another bottom 10 finish. If you put another guy with Karlsson, it may take some getting used to and some growing pains, but I don't think the Sens are worse off because of it. It's not like a Cup contender losing their top pairing guy.

Oduya would be a perfect option beside Karlsson and he won't be commanding 5 x 5 either.

If you want to offer big time money like that for a partner for Karlsson you better find a guy who has a little offense too and Methot doesn't. Boychuk is also a way better option.

Fact is Methot won't get 5 x 5 anywhere other than maybe Philly because the cap is potentially coming down and teams are going to have to deal with that first.

Ev wrote:

dennycrane wrote:If you let Methot go, the team's immediate priority becomes signing a 'player like Marc Methot'. I expect this will be done by next week.

What has the team done with Methot in the lineup? Have they ever been dominant or anything like that? I don't think it's a big loss if he leaves. The last two years with Methot has resulted in below average playoff team, 10th last, and another bottom 10 finish. If you put another guy with Karlsson, it may take some getting used to and some growing pains, but I don't think the Sens are worse off because of it. It's not like a Cup contender losing their top pairing guy.

If you can replace Methot fine but look at EK's play with Methot. You have something that works after trying and failing for three months with different pieces.

In building a team, build from the net out. Done. Then build the D. A top 4 of 3/65/2/5 could be a very good one in 1-2 years time. If the team can get a #1 center (which they don't currently have), the Sens could be a contender in a couple of years.