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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:He had some good seasons in Columbus too.

Vermette is a top 6 guy, LH center, plays with speed, and doesn't have a ton of miles on him in all honesty.  That could be a free lunch at the end of the day and I am not sure a lot of teams would be willing to give him what he wants on a 4 or 5 years deal.  I think the Sens do.

At worst with Vermette you get a #3 center on a good team, works the PK, and brings a little bit of everything, and has playoff experience and for his sake I hope he wins a cup this year.

Based on recent dudlines, teams seem more reluctant to pay for rentals so we could get him cheap in that respect.

Don't think Ottawa adds any UFA's like last year (which was stupid to begin with).  I think Phillips is for sure out the door and will get a 3rd or a 4th + 5th kind of thing.  Smith I think has some value and could be involved in a deal with Lehner going to Edmonton if they try and snag a guy like Eberle instead of picks.

Lehner, Smith, Wiercioch, 2nd for Fasth, Eberle? I actually think that's a fair trade...

Why must we add a 2nd in there? If we do, I'd want a mid-level prospect I think.

NO TO EBERLE. Overrated. Go for Yakupov for cheap

SpezDispensed wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:He had some good seasons in Columbus too.

Vermette is a top 6 guy, LH center, plays with speed, and doesn't have a ton of miles on him in all honesty.  That could be a free lunch at the end of the day and I am not sure a lot of teams would be willing to give him what he wants on a 4 or 5 years deal.  I think the Sens do.

At worst with Vermette you get a #3 center on a good team, works the PK, and brings a little bit of everything, and has playoff experience and for his sake I hope he wins a cup this year.

Based on recent dudlines, teams seem more reluctant to pay for rentals so we could get him cheap in that respect.

Don't think Ottawa adds any UFA's like last year (which was stupid to begin with).  I think Phillips is for sure out the door and will get a 3rd or a 4th + 5th kind of thing.  Smith I think has some value and could be involved in a deal with Lehner going to Edmonton if they try and snag a guy like Eberle instead of picks.

Lehner, Smith, Wiercioch, 2nd for Fasth, Eberle? I actually think that's a fair trade...

Why must we add a 2nd in there?  If we do, I'd want a mid-level prospect I think.  

Only MacT knows the answer to that.

So is that 2nd a deal breaker? Do you say "if I have to give you a 2nd instead of a mid-level prospect, the deal is off?" Are you guaranteed to draft something better than a mid-level prospect with that pick?

Ev wrote:NO TO EBERLE. Overrated. Go for Yakupov for cheap

Cameron seems to get through to young guys but Yakupov is a major, major risk.

Honestly if the Sens are looking for a young forward I wouldn't be going to Edmonton anyways. Dallas is always an option, they need a goalie and a guy like Ritchie would fit in perfectly in Ottawa. Calgary could be looking for a goalie of the future but not sure they are willing to move anyone that would really help the Sens. Phoenix is an interesting option, they need a goaltender pretty badly and a young one at that, is Boedker an option? Hanzel perhaps? Maybe San Jose but I would think they go after a much more established guy.

Better options then the losers in Edmonton who you need to over pay for. Ottawa is in a position of strength here and truth be told, short term they really don't need to do a thing with their goalies.

IMO Turris is a much better player then Vermette. Vermetter would be a top 6 C for us but for how long? Zib is progressing nicely finaly but in a short order you would end up with vermetter bring back to the #3 C spot he left when he departed here. i dont see that happenening and in a few years you'd have Lazar knocking on that door also. I guess Vermette can always switch to the wing.
I'm not going to say an absolute no to that deal as he'd be an improvement to legwand but again, he's not exactly what we need. we need to trust a bit more in our C's coing forward ad we need a top 3 winger.
it's also debabtable if we need a top 4 D man if methot signs up. just need our D to mature a little more and we might be fine.

I do not like all this talk of trading Lehner, quit it.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:NO TO EBERLE. Overrated. Go for Yakupov for cheap

Cameron seems to get through to young guys but Yakupov is a major, major risk.  

Honestly if the Sens are looking for a young forward I wouldn't be going to Edmonton anyways.  Dallas is always an option, they need a goalie and a guy like Ritchie would fit in perfectly in Ottawa.  Calgary could be looking for a goalie of the future but not sure they are willing to move anyone that would really help the Sens.  Phoenix is an interesting option, they need a goaltender pretty badly and a young one at that, is Boedker an option?  Hanzel perhaps?  Maybe San Jose but I would think they go after a much more established guy.

Better options then the losers in Edmonton who you need to over pay for.  Ottawa is in a position of strength here and truth be told, short term they really don't need to do a thing with their goalies.

LET'S DO IT!

Flo The Action wrote:IMO Turris is a much better player then Vermette. Vermetter would be a top 6 C for us but for how long? Zib is progressing nicely finaly but in a short order you would end up with vermetter bring back to the #3 C spot he left when he departed here. i dont see that happenening and in a few years you'd have Lazar knocking on that door also. I guess Vermette can always switch to the wing.
I'm not going to say an absolute no to that deal as he'd be an improvement to legwand but again, he's not exactly what we need. we need to trust a bit more in our C's coing forward ad we need a top 3 winger.
it's also debabtable if we need a top 4 D man if methot signs up. just need our D to mature a little more and we might be fine.

I do not like all this talk of trading Lehner, quit it.

If Methot signs then no, you don't touch the D. The D is coming around big time, all 3 pairs, once Boroweicki is back and Weircioch is in the #7 spot or one of Wideman or Claeson, I think you are rocking.

As for Vermette, the Sens don't have a LH center and even if he slots in at the #3 spot who cares? He's a guy the Sens can use, adds depth down the middle, and can play on all special teams. He's been a very good player in the league for over a decade now and while he might not be exactly what the Sens need he would be a solid addition if all else fails (ROR).

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:NO TO EBERLE. Overrated. Go for Yakupov for cheap

Cameron seems to get through to young guys but Yakupov is a major, major risk.  

Honestly if the Sens are looking for a young forward I wouldn't be going to Edmonton anyways.  Dallas is always an option, they need a goalie and a guy like Ritchie would fit in perfectly in Ottawa.  Calgary could be looking for a goalie of the future but not sure they are willing to move anyone that would really help the Sens.  Phoenix is an interesting option, they need a goaltender pretty badly and a young one at that, is Boedker an option?  Hanzel perhaps?  Maybe San Jose but I would think they go after a much more established guy.

Better options then the losers in Edmonton who you need to over pay for.  Ottawa is in a position of strength here and truth be told, short term they really don't need to do a thing with their goalies.

LET'S DO IT!

You're right in the sense though if you look at Eberle vs Yakupov and which one would cost more... is there any difference between the 2 at this point other than one being Russian and the other being Canadian? Not really, maybe more of a proven track record but both have "regressed".

Yakupov being a big LH shot in Ottawa with a lot more support and much lower expectations could be big.

The more you think about it the more it makes sense. Lehner/Yakupov deal... both teams are taking an equal risk, both teams need what the others top end potential is, and both teams would be dealing from a position of strength. I and I am sure a lot of other people have reservations about Yakupov but if you are trying to hit a home run... this would be the deal.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:NO TO EBERLE. Overrated. Go for Yakupov for cheap

Cameron seems to get through to young guys but Yakupov is a major, major risk.  

Honestly if the Sens are looking for a young forward I wouldn't be going to Edmonton anyways.  Dallas is always an option, they need a goalie and a guy like Ritchie would fit in perfectly in Ottawa.  Calgary could be looking for a goalie of the future but not sure they are willing to move anyone that would really help the Sens.  Phoenix is an interesting option, they need a goaltender pretty badly and a young one at that, is Boedker an option?  Hanzel perhaps?  Maybe San Jose but I would think they go after a much more established guy.

Better options then the losers in Edmonton who you need to over pay for.  Ottawa is in a position of strength here and truth be told, short term they really don't need to do a thing with their goalies.

LET'S DO IT!

You're right in the sense though if you look at Eberle vs Yakupov and which one would cost more... is there any difference between the 2 at this point other than one being Russian and the other being Canadian? Not really, maybe more of a proven track record but both have "regressed".

Yakupov being a big LH shot in Ottawa with a lot more support and much lower expectations could be big.

There's also a cap floor to deal with. Eberle at $6M isn't as risky as a Russian who can bolt to the K for more money - also an RFA at the end of this season. Add him to the list of Sens RFA's and UFA's (Condra, Zib, Chiasson, Hoffman, Pageau, Stone, Methot) and BM all of a sudden has a really busy summer ahead of him where he'll be spending a lot of money Eugene simply doesn't have.

Question: Is Yakupov at $3M > Eberle at $6M?

I agree that the search does not have to start and end with Eberle. Boedker would also be a big add. Let's also not forget Prince, Puempel, Schneider, Paul, McCormick are all LW. The only natural RW we have in Bingo is Robinson.

KHL is going under, no one wants to play there including Russians.  Their dollar is worth jack and it's about to go under.  If you are speaking from a bolting POV then there is no better time to sign a Russian than now.  You look at Tampa and MTL and there Russian's are thriving, Columbus too.

As for the money, I don't think Yakupov has earned anywhere near 3 mil a season, short or long term.  He might get 2 mil x 2 years, no more no less.  He won't want to sign anything longer and no team will want to give him anything more than that.  Budget wise Yakupov will fit like a glove.

The question is "what is Yakupov".  Is he a 20 goal guy?  Potential 30 goal guy?  More?  Or a complete bust?  One thing is for sure with him though and that's he needs to get out of Edmonton, he's rotting there.  Is Ottawa the place for him with a core in place, young, and hopefully on the up swing?  There's no question that a Yakupov that hits his potential or even approaches it will help the Ottawa Senators but that's the risk and it is a big risk.

I also completely forgot about Paul in terms of the Sens prospects. He's going to play in the AHL for a little bit you would think but there's a guy who will also be pushing for a spot. Paul's value has also increased 10 fold over the last 6 months.

If we still had a strong russian role-model (like Gonchar) in the organization, I'd be a lot less worried about taking on Yakupov. Unfortunately, that's not the case. I'd be very surprised if we went in that direction.

http://ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/nhl/senators-extra/murray-likely-to-step-aside-after-the-season-gets-to-pick-his-successor

Confirming what a lot of us were saying.

I hope he gets a ring.

NEELY wrote:The more you think about it the more it makes sense.  Lehner/Yakupov deal... both teams are taking an equal risk, both teams need what the others top end potential is, and both teams would be dealing from a position of strength.  I and I am sure a lot of other people have reservations about Yakupov but if you are trying to hit a home run... this would be the deal.

That has the potential to be one of the worst deal in recent senators history. Yak has bolting to the KHL written all over him.

Yes, he's going to bolt to the KHL and make 100,000,000 rubels which can now buy you a big Mac meal. No one is bolting to the KHL, the league is going to sh*t, they can't pay their players, and the ones they can pay get paid the Russian currency which has completely tanked.

The KHL thing is complete BS now.

Speaking of Yakupov, someone tweeted an interesting stat the other day -- both Yakupov and Galchenyuk had the same number of NHL games and the same number of goals (Gally must have scored one in his last game and Yak didn't, because he's now one goal ahead). Galchenyuk has had the benefit of playing on a much better team, so it could be argued that Yakupov's scoring is more impressive. And don't look at the +/- without also considering the respective goal differentials of the two teams.

So, while Galchenyuk is the "golden child" Yakupov is a bust, yet they are a lot closer than you'd think.

Lol. 100,000,000 rubles