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SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Vermette makes a lot of sense.  

I've always been a big fan of Vermette but I'm a bigger fan of the Senators so I'm call it like I see it. Vermette is certainly a slight upgrade on Legwand, a touch younger too, but why would you bring him in when you had basically the same player and chose not to play him?

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Vermette makes a lot of sense.  

I've always been a big fan of Vermette but I'm a bigger fan of the Senators so I'm call it like I see it. Vermette is certainly a slight upgrade on Legwand, a touch younger too, but why would you bring him in when you had basically the same player and chose not to play him?

Well, for one thing Vermette is on pace for ~55 points and is a fast skater.

Legwand is on pace for ~35 and is the slowest guy in the NHL - or if he's not, he's close.

Vermette is 16th in the entire NHL in faceoff % - 55.8% to be exact.

While Legwand is in the top...300 or so with a 48% faceoff %.

So speed, puck possession and more production = major upgrade IMO.  Plus a fan favourite for what that's worth (not much I guess).

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Vermette makes a lot of sense.  

I've always been a big fan of Vermette but I'm a bigger fan of the Senators so I'm call it like I see it. Vermette is certainly a slight upgrade on Legwand, a touch younger too, but why would you bring him in when you had basically the same player and chose not to play him?

Well, for one thing Vermette is on pace for ~55 points and is a fast skater.

Legwand is on pace for ~35 and is the slowest guy in the NHL - or if he's not, he's close.

Vermette is 16th in the entire NHL in faceoff % - 55.8% to be exact.

While Legwand is in the top...300 or so with a 48% faceoff %.

So speed, puck possession and more production = major upgrade IMO.  Plus a fan favourite for what that's worth (not much I guess).

Legwand has played a lot less minutes with lesser linemates. It's a miracle he has as many points as he does.

I'd rather have Vermette on this team over Legwand 10 times out of 10 because I just like him more. For 3 million, you get about the same thing with Legwand. Particularly if you choose to play him which the Senators have opted not to do.

Probably the best case scenario would be to swap the players one for one but there's still the question of whether or not Vermette would even get any quality minutes. So what's the point?

Ev wrote:Vermette would immediately be our best centre.

Ev wrote:Vermette would immediately be our best centre.

SpezDispensed wrote:

Ev wrote:Vermette would immediately be our best centre.

I don't know if he's better than Turris.  I think he'd struggle the same way Turris does if propelled to a top line C position, but he'd be close and that's what we want.  Balance up and down the lineup.

Ev wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

Ev wrote:Vermette would immediately be our best centre.

I don't know if he's better than Turris.  I think he'd struggle the same way Turris does if propelled to a top line C position, but he'd be close and that's what we want.  Balance up and down the lineup.

He's #1 c in Arizona right now. And last year most likely.

NEELY wrote:He had some good seasons in Columbus too.

Vermette is a top 6 guy, LH center, plays with speed, and doesn't have a ton of miles on him in all honesty.  That could be a free lunch at the end of the day and I am not sure a lot of teams would be willing to give him what he wants on a 4 or 5 years deal.  I think the Sens do.

At worst with Vermette you get a #3 center on a good team, works the PK, and brings a little bit of everything, and has playoff experience and for his sake I hope he wins a cup this year.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Stolen from SC.

Quotes from Dreger on Lehner this morning.

“Not really because I don’t think they know what they had yet in Robin Lehner. And that’s the big issue. Teams have called on Robin Lehner. In fact, I think that there’s been communication in the past between the Oilers and Ottawa Senators specific to Robin Lehner.

“But as much as Bryan Murray and the Sens want Robin Lehner to develop into their star goaltender, he’s not doing that yet. So the value in Craig Anderson from a Senators perspective is immeasurable. Maybe things change in terms of his availability as you get closer to the trade deadline, or in the offseason, but right now, if it weren’t for Craig
Anderson, the Ottawa Senators would be a far worse team than what they are right now.”

I think the Sens end up with that Pitt pick for Lehner... just a hunch.

That would be horrible man. You need something tangible and something valuable for him.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:He had some good seasons in Columbus too.

Vermette is a top 6 guy, LH center, plays with speed, and doesn't have a ton of miles on him in all honesty.  That could be a free lunch at the end of the day and I am not sure a lot of teams would be willing to give him what he wants on a 4 or 5 years deal.  I think the Sens do.

At worst with Vermette you get a #3 center on a good team, works the PK, and brings a little bit of everything, and has playoff experience and for his sake I hope he wins a cup this year.

Based on recent dudlines, teams seem more reluctant to pay for rentals so we could get him cheap in that respect.

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:He had some good seasons in Columbus too.

Vermette is a top 6 guy, LH center, plays with speed, and doesn't have a ton of miles on him in all honesty.  That could be a free lunch at the end of the day and I am not sure a lot of teams would be willing to give him what he wants on a 4 or 5 years deal.  I think the Sens do.

At worst with Vermette you get a #3 center on a good team, works the PK, and brings a little bit of everything, and has playoff experience and for his sake I hope he wins a cup this year.

Based on recent dudlines, teams seem more reluctant to pay for rentals so we could get him cheap in that respect.

Don't think Ottawa adds any UFA's like last year (which was stupid to begin with). I think Phillips is for sure out the door and will get a 3rd or a 4th + 5th kind of thing. Smith I think has some value and could be involved in a deal with Lehner going to Edmonton if they try and snag a guy like Eberle instead of picks.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:He had some good seasons in Columbus too.

Vermette is a top 6 guy, LH center, plays with speed, and doesn't have a ton of miles on him in all honesty.  That could be a free lunch at the end of the day and I am not sure a lot of teams would be willing to give him what he wants on a 4 or 5 years deal.  I think the Sens do.

At worst with Vermette you get a #3 center on a good team, works the PK, and brings a little bit of everything, and has playoff experience and for his sake I hope he wins a cup this year.

Based on recent dudlines, teams seem more reluctant to pay for rentals so we could get him cheap in that respect.

Don't think Ottawa adds any UFA's like last year (which was stupid to begin with).  I think Phillips is for sure out the door and will get a 3rd or a 4th + 5th kind of thing.  Smith I think has some value and could be involved in a deal with Lehner going to Edmonton if they try and snag a guy like Eberle instead of picks.

Lehner, Smith, Wiercioch, 2nd for Fasth, Eberle? I actually think that's a fair trade...

SpezDispensed wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:He had some good seasons in Columbus too.

Vermette is a top 6 guy, LH center, plays with speed, and doesn't have a ton of miles on him in all honesty.  That could be a free lunch at the end of the day and I am not sure a lot of teams would be willing to give him what he wants on a 4 or 5 years deal.  I think the Sens do.

At worst with Vermette you get a #3 center on a good team, works the PK, and brings a little bit of everything, and has playoff experience and for his sake I hope he wins a cup this year.

Based on recent dudlines, teams seem more reluctant to pay for rentals so we could get him cheap in that respect.

Don't think Ottawa adds any UFA's like last year (which was stupid to begin with).  I think Phillips is for sure out the door and will get a 3rd or a 4th + 5th kind of thing.  Smith I think has some value and could be involved in a deal with Lehner going to Edmonton if they try and snag a guy like Eberle instead of picks.

Lehner, Smith, Wiercioch, 2nd for Fasth, Eberle? I actually think that's a fair trade...

Why must we add a 2nd in there?  If we do, I'd want a mid-level prospect I think.