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Cap'n Clutch wrote:When you make deals like Bishop for Conacher, give away Brooks Laich, Trade the Captain of one of the All-Star teams for Marc "Meth man" Methot then you're also bound to hit a few home runs too.  

D'Oh!

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Of course Murray wants to make another Bobby Ryan deal lol.  We made out like bandits on that one.  That was a slam dunk of a deal, let's do it again!

We're probably at the point where we've already promoted the best prospects (see the floundering Bingo SENS)  and it's time for another deal or two for more established players to better support these youngsters and accelerate their development.

LET'S DO IT!!!

That's the plan I would imagine. We gutted Bingo in the last few years. Fair enough, that's what it's there for, but I personally didn't realize Dzingel would struggle with consistency so much, I thought he'd come out swinging. Guptill needs to adapt to the pro game, it'll take time, no harm there really. McMormick is a good prospect as well IMO, but like Dzingel he's struggling with consistency.

There are pieces there that are very attractive, I would imagine, but yes, it's almost time to turn some of them in for a more expensive model, a la Bobby Ryan.

I'm still not quite getting it. On what planet is Nick Foligno a captain of an All Star Team? Why is that?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:When you make deals like Bishop for Conacher, give away Brooks Laich, Trade the Captain of one of the All-Star teams for Marc "Meth man" Methot then you're also bound to hit a few home runs too.  

That was awful wasn't it.

SpezDispensed wrote:I'm still not quite getting it.  On what planet is Nick Foligno a captain of an All Star Team?  Why is that?

It's in Columbus.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:When you make deals like Bishop for Conacher, give away Brooks Laich, Trade the Captain of one of the All-Star teams for Marc "Meth man" Methot then you're also bound to hit a few home runs too.  

I think the statute of limitations has run out on any trades involving Peter Bondra.

SpezDispensed wrote:I'm still not quite getting it.  On what planet is Nick Foligno a captain of an All Star Team?  Why is that?

Just a token addition from the host team. Foligno doesn't really deserve to be there with only 42 pts. so far this season.

spader wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I'm still not quite getting it.  On what planet is Nick Foligno a captain of an All Star Team?  Why is that?

It's in Columbus.

He's also at a point per game pace :D

spader wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I'm still not quite getting it.  On what planet is Nick Foligno a captain of an All Star Team?  Why is that?

It's in Columbus.

Oh, I see...

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

spader wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I'm still not quite getting it.  On what planet is Nick Foligno a captain of an All Star Team?  Why is that?

It's in Columbus.

He's also at a point per game pace :D

True (well, almost), but no one would argue that he should be a captain on the all-star team if it wasn't in Columbus. Any of the 15 or so guys ahead of him in points would have been good selections as well.

SpezDispensed wrote:

NEELY wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:And if Murray is serious about a Ryan type deal, Lehner is a pretty obvious trade piece and I dislike saying that.

Let's not forget that the only thing we really gave up for Ryan was a 1st rd pick. Silfverberg is a top-nine forward who we sold 'high'. He's done virtually nothing since joining Anaheim. Noesen, right now and at the time of the trade, was nothing more than a prospect with injury problems. We got killed on the 1st since it was assumed our 1st rd pick would be a lot later (thinking we would make the playoffs with the Spezza-Ryan combo). I imagine any 'Ryan' type deal is either a 1st and a prospect, or a 2nd, prospect, and roster player. We also have to consider that Euge is about to buy out Greening and probably doesn't want to add salary without some going back the other way.

We have to assume ROR, Eberle, Boedker are on the Sens radar. Not really sure who else is willing to part with a top-six forward at this time a year.

Ottawa 1st (top five pick), Wiercioch, and Puempel probably gets the Eberle/ROR deal done. Not sure if I would do it.

 

I'll just say this... is Lehner worth Pitts 1st round pick this year?  I think that is a pretty solid trade off for both sides and a nice piece that Ottawa can deal at some point.  I think that's about as even value as you will find for Lehner.

Uh...a 25th OV pick for Lehner? No thanks. Also...didn't they trade that pick for Perron. No, no , no. Don't sell low on Lehner or we'll regret it as an org for the next decade.

Lehner has shown flashes of brilliance but has been average at best otherwise. I wouldn't trade Anderson until we know 100% that Lehner can play 60 games a year and win 35-40 of them. Until then, you stay the course and play the better of the two goalies.

Our depth is our strong point from a trade perspective. You look at our roster next year and the year after and start identifying who doesn't fit in with the long term plans. Do Puempel, Robinson, Prince, Pageau, Grant have a spot with this team? Do Wideman and Claesson on the defensive end? If so, then you start moving out the guys who are taking up roster spots and start bringing the young guys up.

Who on our current roster isn't part of the core? Michalek, Legwand, Phillips, Neil, Smith, Condra, Greening. Are we okay losing one of Cowen, Zib, Hoffman, Stone, Ceci, Wiercioch to improve our roster? Also ask yourself, is Zib at $2.5M per year that much worse than ROR at $6M+ per year? Is Eberle worth $5M more a year than Stone? It's the whole price per point issue though. We're a good team, we're competitive, we just need that gamebreaker to put us over the top.

We won't know if Lehner can play 60 and win 40 until Anderson is either gone or sitting on the bench. There is a reason Anderson wasn't given an NTC (or at least not in all years of the contract -- sorry, details fuzzy) -- no matter what Murray says now, idea was to bring Lehner up and move Anderson before that contract is up.

I believe no matter how not sexy a move it is we have to sit tight o our youth and that includes Lehner. if management is getting antsy on that position and is trying to accelerate the process as the peril of our future then they maybe have drunk too much of their koolaid and need to step back. we need to capitalize on the assets that aren't going to be part of the solution going forward. Anderson IMO falls into that category. Phillips, Neil, Z smith. some don't have much value but better then trying to trade good assets for emediate returns when the team isn't ready to perform at that level. The only trades that i want are the ones who are likely to payoff 2-3 years down the road or are possible gambles. once we've made some of these maybe we can try and identify a trade for some vet leadership with a winning predigry to come in.
also our young payers are likely to gain value once they start performing more consistently.
patience.

Flo The Action wrote:I believe no matter how not sexy a move it is we have to sit tight o our youth and that includes Lehner. if management is getting antsy on that position and is trying to accelerate the process as the peril of our future then they maybe have drunk too much of their koolaid and need to step back. we need to capitalize on the assets that aren't going to be part of the solution going forward. Anderson IMO falls into that category. Phillips, Neil, Z smith. some don't have much value but better then trying to trade good assets for emediate returns when the team isn't ready to perform at that level. The only trades that i want are the ones who are likely to payoff 2-3 years down the road or are possible gambles. once we've made some of these maybe we can try and identify a trade for some vet leadership with a winning predigry to come in.
also our young payers are likely to gain value once they start performing more consistently.
patience.

LET'S DO IT!!!!

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

NEELY wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:And if Murray is serious about a Ryan type deal, Lehner is a pretty obvious trade piece and I dislike saying that.

Let's not forget that the only thing we really gave up for Ryan was a 1st rd pick. Silfverberg is a top-nine forward who we sold 'high'. He's done virtually nothing since joining Anaheim. Noesen, right now and at the time of the trade, was nothing more than a prospect with injury problems. We got killed on the 1st since it was assumed our 1st rd pick would be a lot later (thinking we would make the playoffs with the Spezza-Ryan combo). I imagine any 'Ryan' type deal is either a 1st and a prospect, or a 2nd, prospect, and roster player. We also have to consider that Euge is about to buy out Greening and probably doesn't want to add salary without some going back the other way.

We have to assume ROR, Eberle, Boedker are on the Sens radar. Not really sure who else is willing to part with a top-six forward at this time a year.

Ottawa 1st (top five pick), Wiercioch, and Puempel probably gets the Eberle/ROR deal done. Not sure if I would do it.

 

I'll just say this... is Lehner worth Pitts 1st round pick this year?  I think that is a pretty solid trade off for both sides and a nice piece that Ottawa can deal at some point.  I think that's about as even value as you will find for Lehner.

Uh...a 25th OV pick for Lehner?  No thanks.  Also...didn't they trade that pick for Perron.  No, no , no.  Don't sell low on Lehner or we'll regret it as an org for the next decade.

Lehner has shown flashes of brilliance but has been average at best otherwise. I wouldn't trade Anderson until we know 100% that Lehner can play 60 games a year and win 35-40 of them. Until then, you stay the course and play the better of the two goalies.

Our depth is our strong point from a trade perspective. You look at our roster next year and the year after and start identifying who doesn't fit in with the long term plans. Do Puempel, Robinson, Prince, Pageau, Grant have a spot with this team? Do Wideman and Claesson on the defensive end? If so, then you start moving out the guys who are taking up roster spots and start bringing the young guys up.

Who on our current roster isn't part of the core? Michalek, Legwand, Phillips, Neil, Smith, Condra, Greening. Are we okay losing one of Cowen, Zib, Hoffman, Stone, Ceci, Wiercioch to improve our roster? Also ask yourself, is Zib at $2.5M per year that much worse than ROR at $6M+ per year? Is Eberle worth $5M more a year than Stone? It's the whole price per point issue though. We're a good team, we're competitive, we just need that gamebreaker to put us over the top.

Agreed that we need a game breaking forward.

Lol, you put Wiercioch in the wrong sentence. I'm reading names like Hoffman, Ceci, stone and then you try to sneak in Wiercioch.

SpezDispensed wrote:
Agreed that we need a game breaking forward.  

Lol, you put Wiercioch in the wrong sentence.  I'm reading names like Hoffman, Ceci, stone and then you try to sneak in Wiercioch.

So close, yet so far. Maybe a player or two away. Only that player or two would have to be big time players. Probably not a popular proposition but I don't care since I'm probably right, as usual, if you can bag Eric Staal, that's a guy that Turdiss could use to get himself back on track. You can easily afford to let Turdiss fall back into a Line 2 role at his bargain basement price. He desperately needs someone to play behind.

One guy I look at and think "this guy is just rock solid" is young Condra. That's the kind of player the best teams have in their back pocket who will go out there, even if it's just to rest your best guys, and never hurt you and sometimes help you.

Anderson getting the start tonight after playing last night is a pretty big statement with respect to Lehner and his standing with the team. I'm frankly a little surprised.

Nothing surprising about it, Murray and the team has made their choice.