Regin and Campoli file for arbitration

I'm think maybe Regin saw to many fans at Scotiabank Place dressed as Vikings, chanting his name.

They were loud during the playoffs and Regin sure deserved the recognition. He played amazing.

Still not gonna get ya more than 1.5 in my opinion. Even though I don't think it will make it to the arbitrator.

I'd be happy signing him to 3 years, $4.5. That is my guess. A little low, but that's my guess.

A longer term and the average salary may go up to $2.25 per.

Damn, I was hoping Regin wasn't eligible.

i don't think regin goes to arbitration, from what i have heard it can get kinda nasty and egos bruised. if we want to keep regin we overpay slightly and move forward.

4 years 8 million.

I'm kind of ambivalent about the ego bruising. You want $2M+ a year to play a game you love, then you're not a little kid anymore and it'll cost you some of that wide-eyed innocence. Tough &#&(% about your ego. Plus, do we want another Corvo on our team? I also think $2M is too much now, from the Sens' p.o.v., while $2M *may be* too little in two years from Regin's.

SpezDispenser wrote:I don't understand what Regin and Campoli stand to gain in arbitration. Regin's career high is 29 points and Campoli's an adequate seat warmer until Cowen or Wiercioch come in and ask him to GTFO.

Arbitration is not a bad thing. It protects the player from any offer sheets, thus actually helping the organization out. You don't file for arbitration because you're greedy -- you do it to save everybody grief.

Deals determined by arbitration, meanwhile, are almost always on the low side. Just look at Vermette's case, or Sean Avery's a few years back. Arbitration also sets a clear timeline on getting the player locked up, thus ensuring that you don't deal with any of these Havlat or Meszaros situations.

All in all, as an organization, you want your arbitration-eligible players to file -- you don't necessarily want to go to the actual meeting, true, but the filing part is totally standard and not at all the 'headstrong' move that some people here are painting it to be. Something like 80% or more of all arbitration cases are settled in advance anyway. This is not something you make a big deal out of, at all.

While I agree with what you're saying if it is the team that files, when it's the player, I feel quite differently. It *is* a move aimed at getting more than the team is willing to offer -- the side-effect of the player not being threatened by an offer sheet is nice, but if he really was on someone's radar, why has he not gotten one yet? And, yes, you're right, 80% (or some-such) of the time it ends outside the arbiter's office, but 100% o those times it costs the team higher than the initial offer (which, granted, was only a QO).

I'm not surprised at Campoli, but I was hoping that Regin would have chosen to *not* go down this path.

I can't see this ending well for either Campoli or Regin because they look at Stats and their stats aren't all that flattering. No big deal. I wouldn't even discuss contract with them if I were Murray. Let the Arbitrator rule on them. They'll probably both take one year deals and by the end of it we'll only want Regin back anyway.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I can't see this ending well for either Campoli or Regin because they look at Stats and their stats aren't all that flattering. No big deal. I wouldn't even discuss contract with them if I were Murray. Let the Arbitrator rule on them. They'll probably both take one year deals and by the end of it we'll only want Regin back anyway.

Campoli isn't a product of our system so I don't think he's got much invested here; same for the Sens (they gaev up a pick, but only a pick and not a prospect). Regin is a different matter.

Here's a comparable fro you, Peter: Glen Metropolit: same 29 points (and 3 more goals) in 6 fewer games, and he's had similar numbers for two of his other three seasons. He made $1M last year. Can someone tell me why Regin would deserve $2M? I mean, sure, if he had 20 points as a rookie, then followed up with 29 in his sophomore season, scoring at a point per game pace in the playoffs, then you could at least have to points and draw a line, but he played 11 unspectacular games in his first kick at the can, got saw a bit in his first full season and managed 29 points. Not bad, considering he split his duties between the 4th and 2nd line, but that, to me, says "Good, let's see if you can do this two years in a row -- here's $1.1M and 7 months to prove you're worth more that that."

They'd probably both only take one year deals regardless of whether they went to arbitration or not. My point is that with Gryba, Cowen, Rundblad and Weircioch waiting for a shot I don't see Campoli being here past this season anyway. Regin will take his one year deal and gamble that he has a break out year / pick up where he left off.

The only way Regin doesn't take a one year deal is if he gets a large overpayment IMO. I don't really see arbitration being a problem in terms of how much the two of them get awarded that's for sure.

rooneypoo wrote:
Arbitration is not a bad thing. It protects the player from any offer sheets, thus actually helping the organization out. You don't file for arbitration because you're greedy -- you do it to save everybody grief.

Deals determined by arbitration, meanwhile, are almost always on the low side. Just look at Vermette's case, or Sean Avery's a few years back. Arbitration also sets a clear timeline on getting the player locked up, thus ensuring that you don't deal with any of these Havlat or Meszaros situations.

All in all, as an organization, you want your arbitration-eligible players to file -- you don't necessarily want to go to the actual meeting, true, but the filing part is totally standard and not at all the 'headstrong' move that some people here are painting it to be. Something like 80% or more of all arbitration cases are settled in advance anyway. This is not something you make a big deal out of, at all.

Thanks for this Rooney, that's interesting. I didn't realize it saved us from offer sheets. I always viewed this as an aggressive move by the RFAs.

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I don't understand what Regin and Campoli stand to gain in arbitration. Regin's career high is 29 points and Campoli's an adequate seat warmer until Cowen or Wiercioch come in and ask him to GTFO.

Arbitration is not a bad thing. It protects the player from any offer sheets, thus actually helping the organization out. You don't file for arbitration because you're greedy -- you do it to save everybody grief.

Deals determined by arbitration, meanwhile, are almost always on the low side. Just look at Vermette's case, or Sean Avery's a few years back. Arbitration also sets a clear timeline on getting the player locked up, thus ensuring that you don't deal with any of these Havlat or Meszaros situations.

All in all, as an organization, you want your arbitration-eligible players to file -- you don't necessarily want to go to the actual meeting, true, but the filing part is totally standard and not at all the 'headstrong' move that some people here are painting it to be. Something like 80% or more of all arbitration cases are settled in advance anyway. This is not something you make a big deal out of, at all.

Indeed. This at least establishes a link between your team and the RFA and that no other party is involved otherwise. it also sets a firm deadline for both the player and the GM to come up with a deal before heading to arbitration. In this case, I'm not sure who'd bite first. For both campoli and regin, I feel the sens wouldn't bite until after arbitration hearing. Any comparables as to what an arbitrator has awarded to similar players in years past?

Murray's a smart man... he won't let it get to arbitration if it doesn't need to. They all know what goes on there.

SpezDispenser wrote:I don't understand what Regin and Campoli stand to gain in arbitration. Regin's career high is 29 points and Campoli's an adequate seat warmer until Cowen or Wiercioch come in and ask him to GTFO.

Don't look at it like Regin and Campoli are out to stick it to the Sens. Sometimes the team actually wants the player to file for arbitration and they are in constant communication when doing so.

When a player files for arbitration, that player can no longer be subjected to offer sheets from rival teams. By filing, the Sens now have much more time to hash out a contract and not be worried about Regin and Campoli being poached by another team.

Rumors are out there that they are having trouble with one of their RFA's, but who knows what is true.

All we have to go on is the fact that Murray, in all his years Murray doesn't let things go to boards. He signs them.

Here is his most recent history with his RFA's when holding the GM position with Anaheim and Ottawa:

Anaheim in 2002 - Niclas Havelid signs before the hearing.

Anahiem in 2003 - Petr Sykora avoids arbitration and signs a 3 year deal

Ottawa in 2007 -

Ray Emery	Signed a 3 year deal worth $9.5 million just before his artibration hearing
Chris Kelly	Avoided salary arbitration, signed a 1 year deal for $1.265 million.
Christoph Schubert	Signed a 3 year deal worth $2.65 million before his hearing date.

Ottawa in 2008 - Signs Vermette just before the hearing

Ottawa in 2009 - only 2 players in the entire league went to a board (Shaone Morrisonn and Ville Koistinen) , no Ottawa players.

His earlier years with Detroit and Florida are no different.

Hope this helps.

I guess I should have read to the bottom of the pages as it seems Rooney and Michallica already said what I said.

All that research out the window.

I wouldn't say it's research out the window, that was an interesting list that spanned back through the years a bit.

wprager wrote:While I agree with what you're saying if it is the team that files, when it's the player, I feel quite differently. It *is* a move aimed at getting more than the team is willing to offer -- the side-effect of the player not being threatened by an offer sheet is nice, but if he really was on someone's radar, why has he not gotten one yet? And, yes, you're right, 80% (or some-such) of the time it ends outside the arbiter's office, but 100% o those times it costs the team higher than the initial offer (which, granted, was only a QO).

I'm not surprised at Campoli, but I was hoping that Regin would have chosen to *not* go down this path.

Players never, ever get a big payout from the arbiter. Again, look at the history. Cammalleri got $3.5 mil. Avery got under $2 mil. Vermette got $2.5 mil or so. All of these are guys who produced WAY more than either Regin or Campoli, and who mostly all had upsides, and who played far more central roles on their teams.

Most of the time, too, the GM for the team in question simply hasn't yet had the time to deal with his RFAs -- or hasn't made re-signing his RFAs his top priority -- before the arbitration filing date passes. RFAs file for arbitration and then sign after the arbitration filing date, in most instances because their GMs haven't really talked to them much or had the time (what with the draft, free agency, and dealing with the team's UFAs) to hammer out a deal with them.

Arbitration-eligible players file for arbitration 100 times out of 100. It's no big deal, and it's nothing to worry about. No need for drama here.

I stand to be corrected because I'm not 100% sure on this, but I recall in 2004 there being a large number of players who filed for arbitration. Some players received increases in the 2 million range, and one player, my beloved Scott Niedermayer went from 4 million, to 7 Million.

As I said I could be wrong, but I believe my memory is correct.

Now with that said, 2004 was a crazy time for arbitration and that is the only year that I ever recall the players benefiting at all.

Take that year out of the picture, ergo since then, and Rooney is right, large jumps in Salary just don't happy especially to players in the 2nd or 3rd year.