Would you trade these guys all in one package?

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

Too much $$ IMO. Campbell's a really good player, but his cap hit is hard to take on. Impossible even.

I wouldn't be upset if we did it, but I think it might be a tough contract to swallow. Now...can they send Sharp with him? Then I'm all in.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

Too much $$ IMO. Campbell's a really good player, but his cap hit is hard to take on. Impossible even.

I wouldn't be upset if we did it, but I think it might be a tough contract to swallow. Now...can they send Sharp with him? Then I'm all in.

As I posted in another thread, the Hawks are over the cap with only 14 players signed. I think we can absolutely land Soupy and Sharp with the right offer.

SDH89 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

Too much $$ IMO. Campbell's a really good player, but his cap hit is hard to take on. Impossible even.

I wouldn't be upset if we did it, but I think it might be a tough contract to swallow. Now...can they send Sharp with him? Then I'm all in.

As I posted in another thread, the Hawks are over the cap with only 14 players signed. I think we can absolutely land Soupy and Sharp with the right offer.

I'm definately interested in Sharp, not so much Campbell. I'm assuming the Hawks would like cheap-young NHL ready players in returning for more experienced veterans they have to shed. I would build a package centering around Foligno ++ for Sharp.

SpezDispenser wrote:If you can land Campbell and Sharp without messing the chemistry up too much, you do it. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:It seems there's a lot of talk on the site about the merits of moving Spezza, Kuba, Foligno and to a much lesser extent Lee.

So if you were Brian Murray, and could find a suitable trade partner, would you trade Spezza, Foligno, Kuba and Brian Lee all in one shot? What would you expect to get back in such a deal? Would you do it before you could secure the services of one or both of Cullen and Sutton?

I personally would trade them but it would only be under certain circumstances. Now these names are just for example purposes.

First I would need a commitment from Cullen on a signed contract in the 3 to 3.25 range.

Second I would want a player of the Horton ilk (I realize some question his character so lets just say a Horton without the baggage).

Third I'd want to move up the draft and comfortably into the top 10.

Fourth I'd want a promising young prospect who could step in this season.

Fifth I'd want a veteran top 4 D man.

asq2 wrote:

N4L wrote:Right now, yes, but again, he can step in and play that number 1 role, maybe not with the effectivness as Spezza does right now but he can fill that role. Brassard does play a fairly physical game as well though and has some intangibles Spezza doesnt. Is he a guy you can build with? Im not sure, about as sure as I am about Spezza. That's about the only deal that truly makes sense in terms of whats going out and whats coming back. Filatov will have to learn to play that physical game or at least not shy away from it because his tallent is off the charts. Give him some time to fill out and you will have an all-star winger with perhaps an all star center

As for the pick, you can trade down and get a guy like Skinner or Johanssen and aquire some draft picks along the way. Again, I think a team with Brassard as the number one with Mickalek and Regin on each side of him plus a 2nd line of Cullen, Fisher, Alfi, is just as likely to win the division and one with Spezza. Brassard put up good, not great numbers in a system that kills offense, Im curious and I would expect pretty close to a PPG pace in Ottawa's system.

If this was true, why did Columbus go out and get Vermette at the deadline to play with Nash? Why would they give up assets like Filatov and their first for the "minor" upgrade to Spezza? Brassard had 9 goals and 36 points last season. Over-all he's at under 1/2 PPG and he's got 20 goals in 127 games. I know Hitch is not exactly free-wheeling, but Columbus only scored 6 fewer goals than Ottawa last season.

Brassard is no more a #1 centre at this point than Regin is. These are inconsistent, young players that have to be nurtured, not thrown into the fire. There's no way we're going anywhere in the playoffs with Brassard, Regin (whose production only took off when he started playing with Spezza) and Milan "Now you see me but mostly you don't" Michalek as our #1 line. Also, nobody there is a play-maker (at least not when Regin's playing wing).

I'm not sure why you're advocating trading down when you earlier said we needed quality, not quantity. Skinner could potentially fall to our pick; he's way too much of a question-mark anyway to warrant moving Spezza for. And there will be plenty of comparable talent available at 17/16 if he doesn't fall there. Filatov, granted, does have off-the-charts talent, but again I think we could easily acquire him without moving Spezza. I also highly doubt you'd be able to make a deal and take so little salary coming back.

Also, in this scenario, who's Kovalev centred by? Winchester?

N4L wrote:I would defently say Brassard is ahead of Regin in terms of being that number 1 center. Remember, Brassard hurt his shoulder and missed an entire year, that's the reason Columbus went out and got Vermette, he just happend to take his spot on that 1st line with Nash. He lost his spot to injury, not inconsistancy. Brassard has shown he can put up big points in a defensive system, again Im not saying he could replace Spezza right now, but he defently can replace a lot of his production. As for the playoffs, I think The Sens are good enough to make the playoffs without Spezza period, this isnt a knock against Spezza, I just think all around The Sens are a good team and good enough to make the playoffs.

Big Ev wrote:Brassard is too injury-prone and would just be another Spezza, IMO.

Big Ev wrote:Brassard is too injury-prone and would just be another Spezza, IMO.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Brassard is too injury-prone and would just be another Spezza, IMO.

You can never have too many Spezzas.

Big Ev wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Brassard is too injury-prone and would just be another Spezza, IMO.

You can never have too many Spezzas.

I meant if you're replacing Spezza...you're just getting another injury-prone, play-making centre. I know Brassard has skills and intangible, but the risk of injury is high with him.