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Would you trade these guys all in one package?

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You trade Spezza and this team is in trouble for the next 5 years

Everyone is in love with Regin because of what he did in the playoffs right, take a look and see who got the 1st assist on every one of his goals.

Spezza alone gets you a top 5 pick, good prospect and roster player.

If not, run the other way.

This is just getting ridiculous.

Trading Spezza sounds like a great idea-until it happens, and then we are all wondering what happened to our offence, and why the young guys aren't scoring.



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Imagine if Calgary had a 1st rounder to give up?

I think CBJ is an interesting possibility too. When you consider that Brassard is yet unproven and still makes a good chunk of change:

Spezza, Kuba, 1st for

Brassard, Tyutin, 1st

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SeawaySensFan wrote:Imagine if Calgary had a 1st rounder to give up?

I think CBJ is an interesting possibility too. When you consider that Brassard is yet unproven and still makes a good chunk of change:

Spezza, Kuba, 1st for

Brassard, Tyutin, 1st

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Dash wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:I'd hardly call Spezza, Foligno, Kuba and our first garbage. Lee? Yes he is garbage.

Well, Sens fans seem pretty happy to get rid of a $7M underachieving, defensively inept, turn over King in Spezza and fans are ready to give up on Foligno back after only 3 years in the league for not living up to his "potential". And Kuba's hardly a top 4 d-man, but he is paid like one.

When you talk about your own players like they are "garbage" why should other teams think differently?

It's a good thing fans aren't the ones evaluating the talent then isn't it? I never said hey guys lets get rid of all of these guys because they suck and they're over paid did I? I personally wouldn't get rid of any of them, except Lee, with out a good return.

Foligno - As much as a few members on here want to crap on him, he's still young and has a lot of potential to be a solid 3rd line / border line 2nd line power forward.

Spezza - Not enough has been said about how he turned his game around after his injury. Like it or not Spezza needs some talent around him in order for him to be given that extra bit of space to work with. Don't forget he set up some beauty goals despite only scoring one 5 on 3 goal all series.

Kuba - He's been injured and up to that point was the biggest minute muncher on the team for a reason. He absolutely is a solid top 4 D. He's not a number one D which is what he's been thrust into in Ottawa. He absolutely is being paid appropriately as a top 4 D.

Lee - I can't wait to get rid of him. I doubt he ever reaches his potential.


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111519

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SeawaySensFan wrote:Imagine if Calgary had a 1st rounder to give up?

I think CBJ is an interesting possibility too. When you consider that Brassard is yet unproven and still makes a good chunk of change:

Spezza, Kuba, 1st for

Brassard, Tyutin, 1st

Maybe Spezza and a 3rd

for

Brassard, Tyuin, 1st

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How about Spezza, Cowen, Kuba and our 1st to Edmonton for Souray, 1st overall and Sam Gagner.

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111519 wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:Imagine if Calgary had a 1st rounder to give up?

I think CBJ is an interesting possibility too. When you consider that Brassard is yet unproven and still makes a good chunk of change:

Spezza, Kuba, 1st for

Brassard, Tyutin, 1st

Maybe Spezza and a 3rd

for

Brassard, Tyuin, 1st

Tyutin is NICE player and cheaper than Kuba. Columbus is not the type of team that would leave themselves without a pick in the first round at this stage.

I'm not a proponent of dealing Spezza, as I said the focus should be on getting him better support on the 2nd line. However, I would take Brassard and El Nino over Spezza...

Also, this is a capalicious trade for the might Senatesnores.

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RobbyJ wrote:How about Spezza, Cowen, Kuba and our 1st to Edmonton for Souray, 1st overall and Sam Gagner.

This is a joke right

Our number one centre
Our number one d-prospect
A top 4 d-man
The 15th overall pick

for

A d-man who has played 140 games in the last three years and is a -26
Taylor hall-good granted, but never stepped foot on NHL ice.
Gagner-a smallish centre who hits with the frequency of spezza, and averages 15 goals a year

Yea, lets do that



Last edited by 111519 on Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:58 am; edited 1 time in total

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
111519 wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:Imagine if Calgary had a 1st rounder to give up?

I think CBJ is an interesting possibility too. When you consider that Brassard is yet unproven and still makes a good chunk of change:

Spezza, Kuba, 1st for

Brassard, Tyutin, 1st

Maybe Spezza and a 3rd

for

Brassard, Tyuin, 1st

Tyutin is NICE player and cheaper than Kuba. Columbus is not the type of team that would leave themselves without a pick in the first round at this stage.

I'm not a proponent of dealing Spezza, as I said the focus should be on getting him better support on the 2nd line. However, I would take Brassard and El Nino over Spezza...

Also, this is a capalicious trade for the might Senatesnores.

Spezza alone gets you a top 5 pick, good prospect, and roster player.

I understand the desire for cap room but its useless on the score sheet.


Seriously if I told you I had a player who would get you 80-90 points a season for the next 5 years, would you say well I'll take him but you have to throw in a top 4 d-man and a first???

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111519 wrote:
RobbyJ wrote:How about Spezza, Cowen, Kuba and our 1st to Edmonton for Souray, 1st overall and Sam Gagner.

This is a joke right

Our number one centre
Our number one d-prospect
A top 4 d-man
The 15th overall pick

for

A d-man who has played 140 games in the last three years and is a -26
Taylor hall-good granted, but never stepped foot on NHL ice.
Gagner-a smallish centre who hits with the frequency of spezza

Yea, lets do that
I am not sold on Cowen yet. He is at best our 3rd rated D prospect in my eyes behind Karlsson and Wiercioch.

Souray > Kuba, both are injured alot, both have two years left on their deals.

Who cares is Gagner is small, our current #1 centre PLAYS small. Size only matters if you know how to use it.

If you want to get something, you have to willing to give something up.

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RobbyJ wrote:
111519 wrote:
RobbyJ wrote:How about Spezza, Cowen, Kuba and our 1st to Edmonton for Souray, 1st overall and Sam Gagner.

This is a joke right

Our number one centre
Our number one d-prospect
A top 4 d-man
The 15th overall pick

for

A d-man who has played 140 games in the last three years and is a -26
Taylor hall-good granted, but never stepped foot on NHL ice.
Gagner-a smallish centre who hits with the frequency of spezza

Yea, lets do that
I am not sold on Cowen yet. He is at best our 3rd rated D prospect in my eyes behind Karlsson and Wiercioch.

Souray > Kuba, both are injured alot, both have two years left on their deals.

If you want to get something, you have to willing to give something up.

Ok, I don't consider Karlsson a prospect any more and I'll agree with the Cowen/Wiercoch debate-who knows who will be better, but I still take Kuba over Souray, for both attitude and financial reasons.

That leaves us giving edmonton Spezza and the 15th overall pick for Gagner and Hall

Seriously, I've always respected your views but no one does that. If we offered Spezza and the 15th overall pick arounf the league we could get wayyyyy more in return.



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111519 wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
111519 wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:Imagine if Calgary had a 1st rounder to give up?

I think CBJ is an interesting possibility too. When you consider that Brassard is yet unproven and still makes a good chunk of change:

Spezza, Kuba, 1st for

Brassard, Tyutin, 1st

Maybe Spezza and a 3rd

for

Brassard, Tyuin, 1st

Tyutin is NICE player and cheaper than Kuba. Columbus is not the type of team that would leave themselves without a pick in the first round at this stage.

I'm not a proponent of dealing Spezza, as I said the focus should be on getting him better support on the 2nd line. However, I would take Brassard and El Nino over Spezza...

Also, this is a capalicious trade for the might Senatesnores.

Spezza alone gets you a top 5 pick, good prospect, and roster player.

I understand the desire for cap room but its useless on the score sheet.


Seriously if I told you I had a player who would get you 80-90 points a season for the next 5 years, would you say well I'll take him but you have to throw in a top 4 d-man and a first???

I would if Brassard and Tyutin were going the other way. I see your point but I don't think Columbus would have to add more than a prospect to what I said originally to make it fair...

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111519 wrote:
RobbyJ wrote:
111519 wrote:
RobbyJ wrote:How about Spezza, Cowen, Kuba and our 1st to Edmonton for Souray, 1st overall and Sam Gagner.

This is a joke right

Our number one centre
Our number one d-prospect
A top 4 d-man
The 15th overall pick

for

A d-man who has played 140 games in the last three years and is a -26
Taylor hall-good granted, but never stepped foot on NHL ice.
Gagner-a smallish centre who hits with the frequency of spezza

Yea, lets do that
I am not sold on Cowen yet. He is at best our 3rd rated D prospect in my eyes behind Karlsson and Wiercioch.

Souray > Kuba, both are injured alot, both have two years left on their deals.

If you want to get something, you have to willing to give something up.

Ok, I don't consider Karlsson a prospect any more and I'll agree with the Cowen/Wiercoch debate-who knows who will be better, but I still take Kuba over Souray, for both attitude and financial reasons.

That leaves us giving edmonton Spezza and the 15th overall pick for Gagner and Hall

Seriously, I've always respected your views but no one does that. If we offered Spezza and the 15th overall pick arounf the league we could get wayyyyy more in return than a 2/3rd line centre and Hall.

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111519 wrote:
RobbyJ wrote:
111519 wrote:
RobbyJ wrote:How about Spezza, Cowen, Kuba and our 1st to Edmonton for Souray, 1st overall and Sam Gagner.

This is a joke right

Our number one centre
Our number one d-prospect
A top 4 d-man
The 15th overall pick

for

A d-man who has played 140 games in the last three years and is a -26
Taylor hall-good granted, but never stepped foot on NHL ice.
Gagner-a smallish centre who hits with the frequency of spezza

Yea, lets do that
I am not sold on Cowen yet. He is at best our 3rd rated D prospect in my eyes behind Karlsson and Wiercioch.

Souray > Kuba, both are injured alot, both have two years left on their deals.

If you want to get something, you have to willing to give something up.

Ok, I don't consider Karlsson a prospect any more and I'll agree with the Cowen/Wiercoch debate-who knows who will be better, but I still take Kuba over Souray, for both attitude and financial reasons.

That leaves us giving edmonton Spezza and the 15th overall pick for Gagner and Hall

Seriously, I've always respected your views but no one does that. If we offered Spezza and the 15th overall pick arounf the league we could get wayyyyy more in return.
I see what you are saying. My opinion of Sam Gagner is very high. Long term I think he may bring more to the table than Spezza. Also, I admit, I despise Kuba so he represents negative value there in my eyes. Having said this, there are only a handful of teams IMO who would be able/willing to take on Spezza so the returns could be limited.

This is all moot anyhow, since I doubt Spezza is moved.

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Edmonton is not moving the first over-all pick.

Souray has almost no value at that contract, especially given that he demanded a trade.

We're not trading Cowen one season after drafting him, and I'm not interested in doing so anyway - Karlsson - Cowen is just a sick pairing.

Gagner should end up being a pretty good player, but he's small and not particularly fast. I doubt he gets near Spezza level.

I should point out that we have the 17th over-all pick, not the 15th IIRC. Order is: 30. Cup Winner 29. Runner-up 28. Losing Conference Finalist with more points 28. Losing conference Finalist with fewer points. And then everyone else based on their points (apart from the lottery winner, potentially).

So we were at 18th (1-14 being taken up by those missing the playoffs, and then 15 by Montreal, 16 by Philly and 17 by Boston). Automatically, now, one of Boston or Philly will progress to the Conference Finals, and if Montreal wins, they would too which would make our pick 16th. But there's no way it could become 15th without us making a trade.

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This thread is getting HF'ish with the outlandish trade proposals. Get a grip on yourselves.

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Yeah, we hardly need to make any trades at all. The only issue we'll face is too many forwards.

Lee sucks, he can go though.

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If Spezza is dealt, it HAS TO BE for quality, not quantity. There has to be a long term plan in place in the trade that makes sense.

If Ottawa was to deal Spezza say to Columbus it would have to be Brassard, Filatov, and their 1st for Spezza, Lee, and their 1st.

Can Brassard step in and put up the points Spezza can? No, probably not but he defently can be a number 1 center, he has the tallent and does have some edge. Filatov, worth the risk, and you swap 1st rounders.

That would make sense to me from both perspectives but if someone wants to jump on that go ahead, kind of curious.

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