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Would you trade these guys all in one package?

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This thread is getting HF'ish with the outlandish trade proposals. Get a grip on yourselves.

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Yeah, we hardly need to make any trades at all. The only issue we'll face is too many forwards.

Lee sucks, he can go though.

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If Spezza is dealt, it HAS TO BE for quality, not quantity. There has to be a long term plan in place in the trade that makes sense.

If Ottawa was to deal Spezza say to Columbus it would have to be Brassard, Filatov, and their 1st for Spezza, Lee, and their 1st.

Can Brassard step in and put up the points Spezza can? No, probably not but he defently can be a number 1 center, he has the tallent and does have some edge. Filatov, worth the risk, and you swap 1st rounders.

That would make sense to me from both perspectives but if someone wants to jump on that go ahead, kind of curious.

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:It seems there's a lot of talk on the site about the merits of moving Spezza, Kuba, Foligno and to a much lesser extent Lee.

So if you were Brian Murray, and could find a suitable trade partner, would you trade Spezza, Foligno, Kuba and Brian Lee all in one shot? What would you expect to get back in such a deal? Would you do it before you could secure the services of one or both of Cullen and Sutton?

I personally would trade them but it would only be under certain circumstances. Now these names are just for example purposes.

First I would need a commitment from Cullen on a signed contract in the 3 to 3.25 range.

Second I would want a player of the Horton ilk (I realize some question his character so lets just say a Horton without the baggage).

Third I'd want to move up the draft and comfortably into the top 10.

Fourth I'd want a promising young prospect who could step in this season.

Fifth I'd want a veteran top 4 D man.

Forget all of these things until you can find a long-term and short-term solution at centre. And no, Cullen is not that solution, nor is Fisher, nor is Regin (for the foreseeable future, anyway). N4L tried to show that some teams had success without a top centreman, but inadvertently what he showed was that the teams who had even a moderate amount of success had goalies like Bryzgalov, Miller, Rask/Thomas (and even then, Boston is pretty awesome down the middle) or Brodeur. Even if you look back historically on the teams that won a Cup without a #1 centre, they had goalies like Brodeur or Roy.

Also, Horton is lazier than Spezza is.

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asq2 wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:It seems there's a lot of talk on the site about the merits of moving Spezza, Kuba, Foligno and to a much lesser extent Lee.

So if you were Brian Murray, and could find a suitable trade partner, would you trade Spezza, Foligno, Kuba and Brian Lee all in one shot? What would you expect to get back in such a deal? Would you do it before you could secure the services of one or both of Cullen and Sutton?

I personally would trade them but it would only be under certain circumstances. Now these names are just for example purposes.

First I would need a commitment from Cullen on a signed contract in the 3 to 3.25 range.

Second I would want a player of the Horton ilk (I realize some question his character so lets just say a Horton without the baggage).

Third I'd want to move up the draft and comfortably into the top 10.

Fourth I'd want a promising young prospect who could step in this season.

Fifth I'd want a veteran top 4 D man.

Forget all of these things until you can find a long-term and short-term solution at centre. And no, Cullen is not that solution, nor is Fisher, nor is Regin (for the foreseeable future, anyway). N4L tried to show that some teams had success without a top centreman, but inadvertently what he showed was that the teams who had even a moderate amount of success had goalies like Bryzgalov, Miller, Rask/Thomas (and even then, Boston is pretty awesome down the middle) or Brodeur. Even if you look back historically on the teams that won a Cup without a #1 centre, they had goalies like Brodeur or Roy.

Also, Horton is lazier than Spezza is.

Yup, although it might be more a lack of motivation then lazyness.

Anyways, teams can survive without a number 1 center but yes, you need the goaltending and a solid defense core.

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asq2 wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:It seems there's a lot of talk on the site about the merits of moving Spezza, Kuba, Foligno and to a much lesser extent Lee.

So if you were Brian Murray, and could find a suitable trade partner, would you trade Spezza, Foligno, Kuba and Brian Lee all in one shot? What would you expect to get back in such a deal? Would you do it before you could secure the services of one or both of Cullen and Sutton?

I personally would trade them but it would only be under certain circumstances. Now these names are just for example purposes.

First I would need a commitment from Cullen on a signed contract in the 3 to 3.25 range.

Second I would want a player of the Horton ilk (I realize some question his character so lets just say a Horton without the baggage).

Third I'd want to move up the draft and comfortably into the top 10.

Fourth I'd want a promising young prospect who could step in this season.

Fifth I'd want a veteran top 4 D man.

Forget all of these things until you can find a long-term and short-term solution at centre. And no, Cullen is not that solution, nor is Fisher, nor is Regin (for the foreseeable future, anyway). N4L tried to show that some teams had success without a top centreman, but inadvertently what he showed was that the teams who had even a moderate amount of success had goalies like Bryzgalov, Miller, Rask/Thomas (and even then, Boston is pretty awesome down the middle) or Brodeur. Even if you look back historically on the teams that won a Cup without a #1 centre, they had goalies like Brodeur or Roy.

Also, Horton is lazier than Spezza is.

I really would like you to read the entire post and then get back to me on that Horton comment. Thanks.



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SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, we hardly need to make any trades at all. The only issue we'll face is too many forwards.

Lee sucks, he can go though.

I'm almost positive Lee and Foligno will be dealt together. And for some reason, I just feel it will be to Minnesota.

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Im thinking Columbus, I would think if Murray can package something together with Filatov he will do it. That's a kid that can step right into Ottawa and be a top 3 guy with PP mins.

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Or perhaps Foligno to Buffalo and Lee to Minnesota? Not sure why I'd think that though. Oh and Fisher to Nashville. Sarcasm


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PKC wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, we hardly need to make any trades at all. The only issue we'll face is too many forwards.

Lee sucks, he can go though.

I'm almost positive Lee and Foligno will be dealt together. And for some reason, I just feel it will be to Minnesota.

source.... i would trade those two for Zannon..

what about

Foligno, lee and kovalev

for

zannon nad havlat

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Think about this team coming back next season healthy - it's deep, strong and powerful. We have 3 major questions:

1.Can we replace Volchenkov with a Hamhuis, Michalek etc. or is that dreaming?

2.If we can't get one of those, is Sutton, Seidenberg etc. good enough to take his place?

3.Is Cullen staying?

Once those are answered, this team will be awesome - I assume Murray will have answers.

Trading everyone isn't what he has in mind, I guarantee it.

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N4L wrote:Im thinking Columbus, I would think if Murray can package something together with Filatov he will do it. That's a kid that can step right into Ottawa and be a top 3 guy with PP mins.

Sign me up although I doubt Filatov goes anywhere with Hitchcock out of the picture.


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Cap'n Clutch wrote:Or perhaps Foligno to Buffalo and Lee to Minnesota? Not sure why I'd think that though. Oh and Fisher to Nashville. Would you trade these guys all in one package? - Page 3 159628

Dealio.

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PKC wrote:
I'm almost positive Lee and Foligno will be dealt together. And for some reason, I just feel it will be to Minnesota.

Okay, yes, these two can go together, but what a shame to have to deal Foligno at such a young age.

Depends on what's coming back? Is Minny still enamoured with Burns? I don't think to the extent they were.

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DirtyDave wrote:
PKC wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, we hardly need to make any trades at all. The only issue we'll face is too many forwards.

Lee sucks, he can go though.

I'm almost positive Lee and Foligno will be dealt together. And for some reason, I just feel it will be to Minnesota.

source.... i would trade those two for Zannon..

what about

Foligno, lee and kovalev

for

zannon, nads kicker havlat

Fixed. Sarcasm


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Cap'n Clutch wrote:Or perhaps Foligno to Buffalo and Lee to Minnesota? Not sure why I'd think that though. Oh and Fisher to Nashville. Sarcasm

You can get a good player with those two packaged in a deal. Foligno is a 21 year old winger with top 6 potential (I dont think he will get there) and apparently some teams do indeed like Brian Lee, but he's done in Ottawa. Karlsson, Carkner, Gryba, Wiercoich, Campoli, Cowen are all ahead of him on the depth chart.

Again, Columbus seems like an ideal partner, Atlanta does as well, and Murray said he wants to make a move about a week before the draft.

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:
N4L wrote:Im thinking Columbus, I would think if Murray can package something together with Filatov he will do it. That's a kid that can step right into Ottawa and be a top 3 guy with PP mins.

Sign me up although I doubt Filatov goes anywhere with Hitchcock out of the picture.

I dunno, that organization didnt treat him very well and kind if screwed him. Bridges might have been burned.

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N4L wrote:Im thinking Columbus, I would think if Murray can package something together with Filatov he will do it. That's a kid that can step right into Ottawa and be a top 3 guy with PP mins.

This is what I said:

Spezza, Kuba, 1st for

Brassard, Tyutin, 1st

I'm kind of turned-off by Filatov now.

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