Would you trade these guys all in one package?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Or perhaps Foligno to Buffalo and Lee to Minnesota? Not sure why I'd think that though. Oh and Fisher to Nashville.

You can get a good player with those two packaged in a deal. Foligno is a 21 year old winger with top 6 potential (I dont think he will get there) and apparently some teams do indeed like Brian Lee, but he's done in Ottawa. Karlsson, Carkner, Gryba, Wiercoich, Campoli, Cowen are all ahead of him on the depth chart.

Again, Columbus seems like an ideal partner, Atlanta does as well, and Murray said he wants to make a move about a week before the draft.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

N4L wrote:Im thinking Columbus, I would think if Murray can package something together with Filatov he will do it. That's a kid that can step right into Ottawa and be a top 3 guy with PP mins.

Sign me up although I doubt Filatov goes anywhere with Hitchcock out of the picture.

I dunno, that organization didnt treat him very well and kind if screwed him. Bridges might have been burned.

N4L wrote:Im thinking Columbus, I would think if Murray can package something together with Filatov he will do it. That's a kid that can step right into Ottawa and be a top 3 guy with PP mins.

This is what I said:

Spezza, Kuba, 1st for

Brassard, Tyutin, 1st

I'm kind of turned-off by Filatov now.

He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Im not, he's a top tallent and the potential to be a top line player in The NHL. Hell, if you put him with Spezza, that might be an extremely dynamic pair, but the same could be said about Brassard in terms of Spezza.

Again, the trade has to make sense presently and in the future.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

Neely's proposal is one I've thought about, but I'm not convinced Melnyk would go for it because it makes us significantly worse in the short-term, just as attendance is going up and we're back among the playoff teams. Brassard has good 1a/1b potential but he's not a #1 centreman going into next season. Which is self-evident if Columbus decides they have to trade for Spezza.

We'd also need a commitment that Filatov would come over and we'd have to have confidence that he'd tough it out in the NHL. I know we like to criticize Hitch, but Filatov legitimately made Spezza look like Gordie Howe last season from a physicality perspective. I think if you really wanted Filatov you could get him in a deal without moving Spezza for him.

Finally, the pick is good but it isn't going to get us a centre-man either, unless you really reach and take a Burmistrov or Johansen. Otherwise, it'd get you a defenceman (like Fowler or Gormley or Gudbranson, though I think it's quite possible Florida takes Gudbranson with their pick) or a winger like Tarasenko (Russian) or Connolly (who is good, albeit Heatley-like, but injury-prone).

I think Spezza is quite a bit better than Brassard, and getting a guy like Fowler seems a bit superfluous with Karlsson, Cowen and Wiercioch. If you're dead-set on Filatov, make a different trade for him, I guess. I'm content to go with Jarnkrok, though.

N4L wrote:Im not, he's a top tallent and the potential to be a top line player in The NHL. Hell, if you put him with Spezza, that might be an extremely dynamic pair, but the same could be said about Brassard in terms of Spezza.

Again, the trade has to make sense presently and in the future.

I thought Atlanta and Columbus as well, though I'm having a harder time formulating a return from Atlanta.

Spezza, Kuba, Lee and Foligno for

Peverley, Oduya, Klingberg and a 1st?

I don't know.

asq2 wrote:Neely's proposal is one I've thought about, but I'm not convinced Melnyk would go for it because it makes us significantly worse in the short-term, just as attendance is going up and we're back among the playoff teams. Brassard has good 1a/1b potential but he's not a #1 centreman going into next season. Which is self-evident if Columbus decides they have to trade for Spezza.

We'd also need a commitment that Filatov would come over and we'd have to have confidence that he'd tough it out in the NHL. I know we like to criticize Hitch, but Filatov legitimately made Spezza look like Gordie Howe last season from a physicality perspective. I think if you really wanted Filatov you could get him in a deal without moving Spezza for him.

Finally, the pick is good but it isn't going to get us a centre-man either, unless you really reach and take a Burmistrov or Johansen. Otherwise, it'd get you a defenceman (like Fowler or Gormley or Gudbranson, though I think it's quite possible Florida takes Gudbranson with their pick) or a winger like Tarasenko (Russian) or Connolly (who is good, albeit Heatley-like, but injury-prone).

I think Spezza is quite a bit better than Brassard, and getting a guy like Fowler seems a bit superfluous with Karlsson, Cowen and Wiercioch. If you're dead-set on Filatov, make a different trade for him, I guess. I'm content to go with Jarnkrok, though.

I think you misunderstood. N4L's and someone else's latest proposals involved getting one of Brassard or Filatov but keeping Spezza as well.

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

He could have had Campbell, at that contract, for nothing and he chose not to so I can't see him giving up assets now can you?

asq2 wrote:Neely's proposal is one I've thought about, but I'm not convinced Melnyk would go for it because it makes us significantly worse in the short-term, just as attendance is going up and we're back among the playoff teams. Brassard has good 1a/1b potential but he's not a #1 centreman going into next season. Which is self-evident if Columbus decides they have to trade for Spezza.

We'd also need a commitment that Filatov would come over and we'd have to have confidence that he'd tough it out in the NHL. I know we like to criticize Hitch, but Filatov legitimately made Spezza look like Gordie Howe last season from a physicality perspective. I think if you really wanted Filatov you could get him in a deal without moving Spezza for him.

Finally, the pick is good but it isn't going to get us a centre-man either, unless you really reach and take a Burmistrov or Johansen. Otherwise, it'd get you a defenceman (like Fowler or Gormley or Gudbranson, though I think it's quite possible Florida takes Gudbranson with their pick) or a winger like Tarasenko (Russian) or Connolly (who is good, albeit Heatley-like, but injury-prone).

I think Spezza is quite a bit better than Brassard, and getting a guy like Fowler seems a bit superfluous with Karlsson, Cowen and Wiercioch. If you're dead-set on Filatov, make a different trade for him, I guess. I'm content to go with Jarnkrok, though.

Right now, yes, but again, he can step in and play that number 1 role, maybe not with the effectivness as Spezza does right now but he can fill that role. Brassard does play a fairly physical game as well though and has some intangibles Spezza doesnt. Is he a guy you can build with? Im not sure, about as sure as I am about Spezza. That's about the only deal that truly makes sense in terms of whats going out and whats coming back. Filatov will have to learn to play that physical game or at least not shy away from it because his tallent is off the charts. Give him some time to fill out and you will have an all-star winger with perhaps an all star center

As for the pick, you can trade down and get a guy like Skinner or Johanssen and aquire some draft picks along the way. Again, I think a team with Brassard as the number one with Mickalek and Regin on each side of him plus a 2nd line of Cullen, Fisher, Alfi, is just as likely to win the division and one with Spezza. Brassard put up good, not great numbers in a system that kills offense, Im curious and I would expect pretty close to a PPG pace in Ottawa's system.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

asq2 wrote:Neely's proposal is one I've thought about, but I'm not convinced Melnyk would go for it because it makes us significantly worse in the short-term, just as attendance is going up and we're back among the playoff teams. Brassard has good 1a/1b potential but he's not a #1 centreman going into next season. Which is self-evident if Columbus decides they have to trade for Spezza.

We'd also need a commitment that Filatov would come over and we'd have to have confidence that he'd tough it out in the NHL. I know we like to criticize Hitch, but Filatov legitimately made Spezza look like Gordie Howe last season from a physicality perspective. I think if you really wanted Filatov you could get him in a deal without moving Spezza for him.

Finally, the pick is good but it isn't going to get us a centre-man either, unless you really reach and take a Burmistrov or Johansen. Otherwise, it'd get you a defenceman (like Fowler or Gormley or Gudbranson, though I think it's quite possible Florida takes Gudbranson with their pick) or a winger like Tarasenko (Russian) or Connolly (who is good, albeit Heatley-like, but injury-prone).

I think Spezza is quite a bit better than Brassard, and getting a guy like Fowler seems a bit superfluous with Karlsson, Cowen and Wiercioch. If you're dead-set on Filatov, make a different trade for him, I guess. I'm content to go with Jarnkrok, though.

I think you misunderstood. N4L's and someone else's latest proposals involved getting one of Brassard or Filatov but keeping Spezza as well.

Ive gone in both directions.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

He could have had Campbell, at that contract, for nothing and he chose not to so I can't see him giving up assets now can you?

Well you need to move salary, at least some, and he would take Kuba's spot right off the bat. Kuba for Campbell makes a ton of sense if that's what Murray is looking for.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

He could have had Campbell, at that contract, for nothing and he chose not to so I can't see him giving up assets now can you?

He thought he had Heatley up front at the time, though. The team salary structure has changed significantly.

N4L wrote:Right now, yes, but again, he can step in and play that number 1 role, maybe not with the effectivness as Spezza does right now but he can fill that role. Brassard does play a fairly physical game as well though and has some intangibles Spezza doesnt. Is he a guy you can build with? Im not sure, about as sure as I am about Spezza. That's about the only deal that truly makes sense in terms of whats going out and whats coming back. Filatov will have to learn to play that physical game or at least not shy away from it because his tallent is off the charts. Give him some time to fill out and you will have an all-star winger with perhaps an all star center

As for the pick, you can trade down and get a guy like Skinner or Johanssen and aquire some draft picks along the way. Again, I think a team with Brassard as the number one with Mickalek and Regin on each side of him plus a 2nd line of Cullen, Fisher, Alfi, is just as likely to win the division and one with Spezza. Brassard put up good, not great numbers in a system that kills offense, Im curious and I would expect pretty close to a PPG pace in Ottawa's system.

If this was true, why did Columbus go out and get Vermette at the deadline to play with Nash? Why would they give up assets like Filatov and their first for the "minor" upgrade to Spezza? Brassard had 9 goals and 36 points last season. Over-all he's at under 1/2 PPG and he's got 20 goals in 127 games. I know Hitch is not exactly free-wheeling, but Columbus only scored 6 fewer goals than Ottawa last season.

Brassard is no more a #1 centre at this point than Regin is. These are inconsistent, young players that have to be nurtured, not thrown into the fire. There's no way we're going anywhere in the playoffs with Brassard, Regin (whose production only took off when he started playing with Spezza) and Milan "Now you see me but mostly you don't" Michalek as our #1 line. Also, nobody there is a play-maker (at least not when Regin's playing wing).

I'm not sure why you're advocating trading down when you earlier said we needed quality, not quantity. Skinner could potentially fall to our pick; he's way too much of a question-mark anyway to warrant moving Spezza for. And there will be plenty of comparable talent available at 17/16 if he doesn't fall there. Filatov, granted, does have off-the-charts talent, but again I think we could easily acquire him without moving Spezza. I also highly doubt you'd be able to make a deal and take so little salary coming back.

Also, in this scenario, who's Kovalev centred by? Winchester?

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

Too much $$ IMO. Campbell's a really good player, but his cap hit is hard to take on. Impossible even.

I wouldn't be upset if we did it, but I think it might be a tough contract to swallow. Now...can they send Sharp with him? Then I'm all in.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's been saying he want that stud PMD, via trade or free agency, since he took the GM job and has sounded serious about it every time he brings it up. I'd just love for him to shut his yap and get it done.

Well then here comes Brian Campbell because he's a great D man on a not AWFUL, but not great contract. If you can deal Kuba and Cheechoo for Campbell then it might be worth it.

With Kovalev coming off the books next year his contract will be a lot easier to absorbe.

Too much $$ IMO. Campbell's a really good player, but his cap hit is hard to take on. Impossible even.

I wouldn't be upset if we did it, but I think it might be a tough contract to swallow. Now...can they send Sharp with him? Then I'm all in.

As I posted in another thread, the Hawks are over the cap with only 14 players signed. I think we can absolutely land Soupy and Sharp with the right offer.

You guys actually think Brassard can replace Spezza? What has this guy proven in his career? He only played 30 games last year after throwing his shoulder out in a fight, and he bounces back this year and plays nearly the whole season and scores ..... 9 goals. Come on, Filatov is a question mark and the pick wouldn't help us immediately. We keep saying we want fair value in a Spezza trade, is this really fair value??