Smyth, not Heatley, traded to Kings; and other stuff

Would you sign Sergei Zubov if the money worked?

He's near the end of his career, but IMO he'd be a mighty fine mentor for Karlsson?

SpezDispenser wrote:

PKC wrote:
They are about 5 million away from the cap floor and they need four players to fill out their roster. I don't see why they would trade like the only Diddle UFA to sign there in the last decade for one of the most ridiculously overpaid players in the league.

Oh, in that case, they won't be taking any dumps, they'll just sign 4 tier 9 UFAs and fill their roster.

It was me. I want Mark Streit here (badly).

But they don't need to when they could serviceable players on good contracts like Schubert and Picard. That's 1.6 million for two guys who could actually play a decent role for that team.

asq2 wrote:Would you sign Sergei Zubov if the money worked?

He's near the end of his career, but IMO he'd be a mighty fine mentor for Karlsson?

I think it's over for him. Guy missed 60 games to hip surgery and he's 39 in like a week.

asq2 wrote:Would you sign Sergei Zubov if the money worked?

He's near the end of his career, but IMO he'd be a mighty fine mentor for Karlsson?

I badly want to, yes. He'd be an awesome stop-gap until Karlsson was ready.

We'd have no money for a forward, though.

Are you satisfied with Spezza/Alfredsson/Heatley's return and FFS (and hopefully Regin) to provide offence?

For me, the benefit would be Karlsson learning from Zubov.

asq2 wrote:We'd have no money for a forward, though.

Are you satisfied with Spezza/Alfredsson/Heatley's return and FFS (and hopefully Regin) to provide offence?

For me, the benefit would be Karlsson learning from Zubov.

I weighed that for a while and yes, I think I am comfortable. The thing with Zubov that makes him so attractive is how he plays the game, how he thinks the game and most importantly, what an amazing passer he is. Out of the defencive zone with crisp passes and he commands the PP. His injury is a concern, but if he's 100%, I would be after him big time. He can change the flow of a game and prop up offensive stats for the forwards by getting them the puck.

EDIT: And for Karlsson as well. Learn from a pro whos had an amazing NHL career.
He's probably one of my top choices who are left on the market, but after all that, I don't see why he wouldn't finish his career in Dallas - if they still want him.

well count off LA as a dancing partner when it comes to Heatley, guess they figured Smyth would be better than the Heater, and who can blame them at this point when it comes to his attitude. The only positive is that Edmonton can work something out with Murray or Sens Chirp is right, SJ is wanting to jump in on this, but am worried any deal with SJ may involve Marleau coming back, I would rather not have salary coming back, want young roster players/prospects/picks for next year.

SensFan71 wrote:well count off LA as a dancing partner when it comes to Heatley, guess they figured Smyth would be better than the Heater, and who can blame them at this point when it comes to his attitude. The only positive is that Edmonton can work something out with Murray or Sens Chirp is right, SJ is wanting to jump in on this, but am worried any deal with SJ may involve Marleau coming back, I would rather not have salary coming back, want young roster players/prospects/picks for next year.

Any deal with San Jose would have to have salary coming back. They are so close to the cap, that they don't have a choice. I'd be all for Marleau if it Logan Couture came with him, or maybe Nick Petrecki. They also have 7 capable Dmen, so we would probably have to take one as well.

Bass Destruction wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:well count off LA as a dancing partner when it comes to Heatley, guess they figured Smyth would be better than the Heater, and who can blame them at this point when it comes to his attitude. The only positive is that Edmonton can work something out with Murray or Sens Chirp is right, SJ is wanting to jump in on this, but am worried any deal with SJ may involve Marleau coming back, I would rather not have salary coming back, want young roster players/prospects/picks for next year.

Any deal with San Jose would have to have salary coming back. They are so close to the cap, that they don't have a choice. I'd be all for Marleau if it Logan Couture came with him, or maybe Nick Petrecki. They also have 7 capable Dmen, so we would probably have to take one as well.

ugh we are pretty stuck on D right now as it is, and with Weircioch wanting to play in the NHL this coming season (whether he will or not, that is a different story), either way, at this point if it was Marleau and anyone else coming back, at this point we may be forced to jump all over it as Heatley is being a thorn in our side and we do not need his attitude ruining our young guys, Spezza said it best, the team needs to move on and don't need anything to undermine the winning attitude that is trying to be built here.

We know that Couture and Cowick can put the puck into the net together as well. They would be solid down in Bingo to start!

SensFan71 wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:well count off LA as a dancing partner when it comes to Heatley, guess they figured Smyth would be better than the Heater, and who can blame them at this point when it comes to his attitude. The only positive is that Edmonton can work something out with Murray or Sens Chirp is right, SJ is wanting to jump in on this, but am worried any deal with SJ may involve Marleau coming back, I would rather not have salary coming back, want young roster players/prospects/picks for next year.

Any deal with San Jose would have to have salary coming back. They are so close to the cap, that they don't have a choice. I'd be all for Marleau if it Logan Couture came with him, or maybe Nick Petrecki. They also have 7 capable Dmen, so we would probably have to take one as well.

ugh we are pretty stuck on D right now as it is, and with Weircioch wanting to play in the NHL this coming season (whether he will or not, that is a different story), either way, at this point if it was Marleau and anyone else coming back, at this point we may be forced to jump all over it as Heatley is being a thorn in our side and we do not need his attitude ruining our young guys, Spezza said it best, the team needs to move on and don't need anything to undermine the winning attitude that is trying to be built here.

I really hope Marleau isn't offered. I just don't see how he would help the team at all. we would still be stuck with far too much money up front, but he only has one more season on contract which means he could bolt after a year and Ottawa would have nothing to show for it. To me this just seems like doing everything for Heatley and not thinking about the team's future. I really hope something like this doesn't go down.

SpezDispenser wrote:I don't see why he wouldn't finish his career in Dallas - if they still want him.

I have a vague recollection of reading that he had sold his house in Dallas.

Of course, we also read that Gaborik had purchased a house in Vancouver. :^^^^:

And, of course, if he was moving on, why would he come here, as opposed to a number of other NHL teams that could use him, or even the KHL?

Mojo wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:well count off LA as a dancing partner when it comes to Heatley, guess they figured Smyth would be better than the Heater, and who can blame them at this point when it comes to his attitude. The only positive is that Edmonton can work something out with Murray or Sens Chirp is right, SJ is wanting to jump in on this, but am worried any deal with SJ may involve Marleau coming back, I would rather not have salary coming back, want young roster players/prospects/picks for next year.

Any deal with San Jose would have to have salary coming back. They are so close to the cap, that they don't have a choice. I'd be all for Marleau if it Logan Couture came with him, or maybe Nick Petrecki. They also have 7 capable Dmen, so we would probably have to take one as well.

ugh we are pretty stuck on D right now as it is, and with Weircioch wanting to play in the NHL this coming season (whether he will or not, that is a different story), either way, at this point if it was Marleau and anyone else coming back, at this point we may be forced to jump all over it as Heatley is being a thorn in our side and we do not need his attitude ruining our young guys, Spezza said it best, the team needs to move on and don't need anything to undermine the winning attitude that is trying to be built here.

I really hope Marleau isn't offered. I just don't see how he would help the team at all. we would still be stuck with far too much money up front, but he only has one more season on contract which means he could bolt after a year and Ottawa would have nothing to show for it. To me this just seems like doing everything for Heatley and not thinking about the team's future. I really hope something like this doesn't go down.

it may be one of the more logical things that does happen though, and it might be a blessing disguise, depending on how Marleau does in Ottawa, if he does alright, consider resigning, if not, then he goes away as UFA, freeing up some money for next year's FA class, not sure how good it will be, but well, Nash is the big fish that has already been pulled off the market.

I would do a Marleau for Heatley almost straight up at this point. If Marleau signs, that's great, I'm not sure what his market value is. With Hossa at 5.2 and Havlat at 5 even. Cammelleri at 6, Gionta at 5. What is he worth? 5.5? If that's the case, I would love to have him in the fold. If he walks, or a deal isn't done, we'll hopefully be able to get a 1st rounder for him at the deadline (assuming he'd waive his NMC again).

And then we have big cap space to spend on July 1 next year. You could accelerate this mini-rebuild pretty quickly I would presume.

Neely4Life wrote:We know that Couture and Cowick can put the puck into the net together as well. They would be solid down in Bingo to start!

I know it's a pipe dream, but that would be a sweet pick up... it'd make it worth the money tied up in Marleau.

SpezDispenser wrote:I would do a Marleau for Heatley almost straight up at this point. If Marleau signs, that's great, I'm not sure what his market value is. With Hossa at 5.2 and Havlat at 5 even. Cammelleri at 6, Gionta at 5. What is he worth? 5.5? If that's the case, I would love to have him in the fold. If he walks, or a deal isn't done, we'll hopefully be able to get a 1st rounder for him at the deadline (assuming he'd waive his NMC again).

And then we have big cap space to spend on July 1 next year. You could accelerate this mini-rebuild pretty quickly I would presume.

I know this situation sucks, but there is no reason to ship Heatley to his dream job while the Sens just spin their wheels. Pretty much everybody saw this situation as a way to solve the cap issues on the team. Bringing in Marleau would just put us back in the same situation. Murray does not need to trade Heatley just because it was requested. Obviously he wants to, but he needs it be a deal that works for the team.

Mojo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I would do a Marleau for Heatley almost straight up at this point. If Marleau signs, that's great, I'm not sure what his market value is. With Hossa at 5.2 and Havlat at 5 even. Cammelleri at 6, Gionta at 5. What is he worth? 5.5? If that's the case, I would love to have him in the fold. If he walks, or a deal isn't done, we'll hopefully be able to get a 1st rounder for him at the deadline (assuming he'd waive his NMC again).

And then we have big cap space to spend on July 1 next year. You could accelerate this mini-rebuild pretty quickly I would presume.

I know this situation sucks, but there is no reason to ship Heatley to his dream job while the Sens just spin their wheels. Pretty much everybody saw this situation as a way to solve the cap issues on the team. Bringing in Marleau would just put us back in the same situation. Murray does not need to trade Heatley just because it was requested. Obviously he wants to, but he needs it be a deal that works for the team.

I agree, I would take Clowe in the deal but that probably isn't realistic

Mojo wrote:I know this situation sucks, but there is no reason to ship Heatley to his dream job while the Sens just spin their wheels. Pretty much everybody saw this situation as a way to solve the cap issues on the team. Bringing in Marleau would just put us back in the same situation. Murray does not need to trade Heatley just because it was requested. Obviously he wants to, but he needs it be a deal that works for the team.

It wouldn't change anything to the cap this year, but it sure would when Marleau became a UFA next July and we had the pick of some big names. Or if we can trade him at the deadline. Or if we can resign him for 5 million.

I like the thought personally. It allows us many options.