EJ Hradek and NHL Live Reporting Dany Heatley has requested a trade

Mojo wrote:

Urkie wrote:

hemlock wrote:Agreed. I'd say that much like Sutter in Calgary, Murray is still living off the credit earned from the SCF run. He's made some questionable choices during his tenure as GM. Time will tell, but I hope to hell he doesn't botch this Heatley thing, as it will set the franchise back more than any of the moves he's made previously, or anything Muckler did (including the Havlat deal).

That and the fact that he supposedly built the team that beat us.

In a cap world I suspected that giving out those big contracts to Spezza and Heatley might catch up to us one day and it did only quicker then I originally thought. Those 2 contracts prevented Murray from making any adjustments and from improving the team because he has always been just trying to make room. Those 2 contracts pretty much dictated every single move he's made as the Sens GM. You've gotta know how to manage the cap now and I don't think he did a very good job of it at least so far.

I'm just curious what you propose he could have done with Spezza and Heatley after they just came off great playoff runs.

Exactly. There was no-one in Bingo ready to step in an score 20 goals playing 3rd line minutes. The length of the contract and the NMC -- those we could have done without.

Urkie wrote:

Mojo wrote:The other problem about waiting until the end of the season is that you never know if players will become disgruntled or want more money. Signing them to big deals right after a great playoff run means they are in good spirits and loyal to the club. There was always the risk that when Heatley got close to free agency, he might have just wanted to see what else he could get and Ottawa would lose him for nothing.

This is all true but Murray still should have waited to see how the season progressed because nothing is a given in this league. If he waits and the team has a bad year then it becomes easier to decide where the team goes from there. But by signing Heatley, Spezza and even Fisher so early in the season, he basically assumed the team would be successful and that he wouldn't have to make hardly any changes over the summer.

It's all about accountability really. In order to get a contract like that you have to prove yourself. Getting to the finals and then handing out those contracts is basically like saying that was good enough. I believe it was....and this is jmo....the start of where the laziness started to come into play.

And then, two months into the season, when the Sens were still leading the league in everything other than goalie stats, the pressure would have been even higher for him to extend Speatley. At that point -- remember, we are not supposed to know what is to come in December through April -- you and everyone here would have been screaming at Murray to sign them now, before they are demanding $8M+ each.

You can't analyse a deal out of its original context. If you can find some posts where you said -- back at that time -- that Murray should have waited to see how the season progressed, that a fast start can be just that, that you are still not convinced that Heatley and Spezza deserve anything long-term -- if you can show me that, then I'll concede the point to you. Until then, that ball is out of bounds.

Oh, yeah, agreed on the Fisher contract. And if you go back you'll see my posts on the subject. I was *not* at all impressed. At the very least, I said it should be discounted by 15% to account for injuries. Come to think of it, I said the exact same thing about Spezza's contract. $7M seems fair, but since he's going to miss 10-12 games, discount it by 15%, which brings it closer to $6M.

has any of you thought of the repurcutions on spezza? the man is loosing his girlfriend..!

Flo The Action wrote:has any of you thought of the repurcutions on spezza? the man is loosing his girlfriend..!

Hopefully this will let Spezza rise up and be the leader/man he should be. If Spezza seizes this opportunity... it could be a major move for him.

He's now a clique of one. It won't be long before he buys in if he hasn't already.

Trading Heatley has the potential to set this team up for now and well into the future.

Imagine a deal getting done for the Isles pick?

Hedman - Karlsson . Hey SezDispenser we need a drooling emoticon.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Imagine a deal getting done for the Isles pick?

Yeah... that ain't happening...

shabbs wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Imagine a deal getting done for the Isles pick?

Yeah... that ain't happening...

You could have given me a little more time with my dream before you dashed it.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

shabbs wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Imagine a deal getting done for the Isles pick?

Yeah... that ain't happening...

You could have given me a little more time with my dream before you dashed it.

HA HA! Sorry man...

Anyone have BM's phone number?

Leclaire + Heatley for Luongo + Burrows

Monkhouse wrote:Anyone have BM's phone number?

Leclaire + Heatley for Luongo + Burrows

Interesting idea but I think I'd still take my chances with Leclaire and trade Heatley for a top end prospect and High draft pick. This frees up cap space to bid on Jay Bo.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Monkhouse wrote:Anyone have BM's phone number?

Leclaire + Heatley for Luongo + Burrows

Interesting idea but I think I'd still take my chances with Leclaire and trade Heatley for a top end prospect and High draft pick. This frees up cap space to bid on Jay Bo.

It does make you wonder if Murray will bundle in a goalie though... now that we seem to be having a log jam... Auld may become part of a deal.

Flo The Action wrote:has any of you thought of the repurcutions on spezza? the man is loosing his girlfriend..!

I actually wonder if there is some rift between these two guys. If the Heatley rumours are true about why he wants out (ie. problems with Clouston's system that is asking him to work harder), then Heatley and Spezza are likely at odds. I could see Spezza being annoyed with Heatley if the coach asks him to work harder so he just asks for a trade.

shabbs wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Monkhouse wrote:Anyone have BM's phone number?

Leclaire + Heatley for Luongo + Burrows

Interesting idea but I think I'd still take my chances with Leclaire and trade Heatley for a top end prospect and High draft pick. This frees up cap space to bid on Jay Bo.

It does make you wonder if Murray will bundle in a goalie though... now that we seem to be having a log jam... Auld may become part of a deal.

Good point. Who needs a solid veteran backup and an Allstar Winger with 40 to 50 goal scoring ability?

Of those who has a high 1st draft pick and solid top sixer or high end prospect?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

shabbs wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Monkhouse wrote:Anyone have BM's phone number?

Leclaire + Heatley for Luongo + Burrows

Interesting idea but I think I'd still take my chances with Leclaire and trade Heatley for a top end prospect and High draft pick. This frees up cap space to bid on Jay Bo.

It does make you wonder if Murray will bundle in a goalie though... now that we seem to be having a log jam... Auld may become part of a deal.

Good point. Who needs a solid veteran backup and an Allstar Winger with 40 to 50 goal scoring ability?

Of those who has a high 1st draft pick and solid top sixer or high end prospect?

Islanders, Colorado, Kings, Oilers, Dallas. I left out some obvious ones like Toronto and Atlanta.

I think Murray has lots of room to work with here. People say that Murray won't get as much because Heatley has asked for a trade, but there will be a few GMs fighting it out to get this guy. That's all it takes to drive up the price. I wish I here some of the conversations Murray will over over the next few weeks until the draft.

Mojo wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

shabbs wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Monkhouse wrote:Anyone have BM's phone number?

Leclaire + Heatley for Luongo + Burrows

Interesting idea but I think I'd still take my chances with Leclaire and trade Heatley for a top end prospect and High draft pick. This frees up cap space to bid on Jay Bo.

It does make you wonder if Murray will bundle in a goalie though... now that we seem to be having a log jam... Auld may become part of a deal.

Good point. Who needs a solid veteran backup and an Allstar Winger with 40 to 50 goal scoring ability?

Of those who has a high 1st draft pick and solid top sixer or high end prospect?

Islanders, Colorado, Kings, Oilers, Dallas. I left out some obvious ones like Toronto and Atlanta.

I think Murray has lots of room to work with here. People say that Murray won't get as much because Heatley has asked for a trade, but there will be a few GMs fighting it out to get this guy. That's all it takes to drive up the price. I wish I here some of the conversations Murray will over over the next few weeks until the draft.

MY concern is that Heatley is very particular about where he will or won't play... I've heard that he wants to be be near his g/f which is stupid... cause she should be in ottawa, it's not like she needs to work for a living. If we are limited we're not going to get much back for him.

Don't trade him then. If Murray can't get the best deal he possibly can, make him play. What's Heatley going to do? Sit out? We all saw how well that works in Ottawa.

Does anyone know where his girlfriend lives? Even so, does anyone really believe he would request a trade based on the location of his girlfriend?