The Erik "Kid" Karlsson appreciation thread

marakh wrote:Hey, who changed my title

Was this the "Kocky Karlsson Appreciation Thread"? SpezD has been running around trying to get every one to start calling him Erik the Red.

My money would be on him.

So, obviously Karlsson's had a tumultous time defensively, but his offensive production of 6 points in 5 games has him tied with Gonchar, Doughty and J. Johnson for the playoff lead in defensive production (granted, DD and JJ have played only 4 games).

Although it's a very small sample size, I thought it'd be neat to compare Karlsson's body of playoff work with the illustrious (lol) playoff seasons compiled by other Senators defencemen. So, here are the notable performances from past playoffs (apologies for the untidyness, or if this has been done already):

Year Player Games Points
1996-1997: Duchesne 7 5
1996-1997: Redden 7 4
1997-1998: Kravchuk 11 5
1998-1999: Redden 4 3
1999-2000: Kravchuk/Salo/York 6 2
2000-2001: Phillips 1 1 - no other defenceman registers a point
2001-2002: Redden 12 5
2002-2003: Redden 18 9
2002-2003: Chara 18 7
2003-2004: Chara 7 2
2005-2006: Redden 9 10
2006-2007: Redden 20 10
2007-2008: Commodore 4 2

Although it's not an entirely fair analysis because you have to factor in calibre of team, calibre of opponent, and plain ol' differences in the NHL, there are some pretty readily available observations to be made:

First, at 19, Karlsson has (statistically speaking) so far provided a better offensive output pace-wise than any other defenceman in Senators' playoff history. The only two that come close are Phillips 1 point in 1 game (which is an even more ridiculous sample size to use) and Redden's 9 points in 10 games in 2005-2006. For the latter we might (selectively) point out that Redden was 28 at the time, and playing on the best offensive team in Senators (and post-lock-out) history.

Second, the comparable that Karlsson-denigrators like to use, Andrej Meszaros, is nowhere to be found on this list. His best post-season was in 2006-2007 when he had 7 points in 20 games (which is to say, 1 more point than EK in four times the number of games). All-told, he has accumulated an astonishing 9 points in 34 career playoff matches.

All of this is to say that Karlsson = awesome.

That's neat ASQ, good work!

SpezDispenser wrote:That's neat ASQ, good work!

I was bored, OK?

I'm not sure if it's a testament to EK or to the detriment of our other players that he's only 4 points off tying the Sens' single-post-season record for points by a defenceman, having played only 5 games, at 19. He's also already only 8 points shy of matching Zdeno Chara's career playoff output with the Senators.

I think it's very likely that he ends up taking over most of the Sens' defensive point records assuming he stays healthy and plays a long time in Ottawa *vigourous knock on wood*

Getting more than 10 points in a single post-season seems almost like a gimme given his production right now, and I can't imagine he'll have a tonne of trouble beating Redden's 50 points in a single season record, either. (At least I think that's the record.) The career points records also go to Redden with 410 regular season points and 45 post-seasoners, and I think Karlsson has the potential to surpass those as well. If, say, he averages 40 points a season for the next 10 years (not a stretch, IMO - that could be selling him quite short) he'll surpass Redden by age 29. The playoff ones, granted, depend a lot on the calibre of the Senator teams he plays on.

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:That's neat ASQ, good work!

I was bored, OK?

I'm not sure if it's a testament to EK or to the detriment of our other players that he's only 4 points off tying the Sens' single-post-season record for points by a defenceman, having played only 5 games, at 19. He's also already only 8 points shy of matching Zdeno Chara's career playoff output with the Senators.

I think it's very likely that he ends up taking over most of the Sens' defensive point records assuming he stays healthy and plays a long time in Ottawa *vigourous knock on wood*

Getting more than 10 points in a single post-season seems almost like a gimme given his production right now, and I can't imagine he'll have a tonne of trouble beating Redden's 50 points in a single season record, either. (At least I think that's the record.) The career points records also go to Redden with 410 regular season points and 45 post-seasoners, and I think Karlsson has the potential to surpass those as well. If, say, he averages 40 points a season for the next 10 years (not a stretch, IMO - that could be selling him quite short) he'll surpass Redden by age 29. The playoff ones, granted, depend a lot on the calibre of the Senator teams he plays on.

No, I meant it, I've never really thought to look back on Duchene, Redden etc. Amazing that we ever went near the Cup Finals with those lowish totals from the back end.

So, obviously Karlsson's had a tumultous time defensively, but his offensive production of 6 points in 5 games has him tied with Gonchar, Doughty and J. Johnson for the playoff lead in defensive production (granted, DD and JJ have played only 4 games).

Although it's a very small sample size, I thought it'd be neat to compare Karlsson's body of playoff work with the illustrious (lol) playoff seasons compiled by other Senators defencemen. So, here are the notable performances from past playoffs (apologies for the untidyness, or if this has been done already):

Year Player Games Points
1996-1997: Duchesne 7 5
1996-1997: Redden 7 4
1997-1998: Kravchuk 11 5
1998-1999: Redden 4 3
1999-2000: Kravchuk/Salo/York 6 2
2000-2001: Phillips 1 1 - no other defenceman registers a point
2001-2002: Redden 12 5
2002-2003: Redden 18 9
2002-2003: Chara 18 7
2003-2004: Chara 7 2
2005-2006: Redden 9 10
2006-2007: Redden 20 10
2007-2008: Commodore 4 2

Although it's not an entirely fair analysis because you have to factor in calibre of team, calibre of opponent, and plain ol' differences in the NHL, there are some pretty readily available observations to be made:

First, at 19, Karlsson has (statistically speaking) so far provided a better offensive output pace-wise than any other defenceman in Senators' playoff history. The only two that come close are Phillips 1 point in 1 game (which is an even more ridiculous sample size to use) and Redden's 9 points in 10 games in 2005-2006. For the latter we might (selectively) point out that Redden was 28 at the time, and playing on the best offensive team in Senators (and post-lock-out) history.

Second, the comparable that Karlsson-denigrators like to use, Andrej Meszaros, is nowhere to be found on this list. His best post-season was in 2006-2007 when he had 7 points in 20 games (which is to say, 1 more point than EK in four times the number of games). All-told, he has accumulated an astonishing 9 points in 34 career playoff matches.

All of this is to say that Karlsson = awesome.

Wow, I missed this the first time around. Very encouraging stuff ASQ

How did COrvo do in 07?

Name Games Goals Assists Points Shots
Corvo 20 2 7 9 49

beerandsens wrote:Name Games Goals Assists Points Shots
Corvo 20 2 7 9 49

He played top PP minutes and I think Redden did also?
So that's 19 pts from the D on a pairing.

Karlsson is the only D on our PP unit now (which is smoking hot btw).

marakh wrote:Hey, who changed my title

Sorry, it was me, I'll change in back.

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:That's neat ASQ, good work!

I was bored, OK?

I'm not sure if it's a testament to EK or to the detriment of our other players that he's only 4 points off tying the Sens' single-post-season record for points by a defenceman, having played only 5 games, at 19. He's also already only 8 points shy of matching Zdeno Chara's career playoff output with the Senators.

I think it's very likely that he ends up taking over most of the Sens' defensive point records assuming he stays healthy and plays a long time in Ottawa *vigourous knock on wood*

Getting more than 10 points in a single post-season seems almost like a gimme given his production right now, and I can't imagine he'll have a tonne of trouble beating Redden's 50 points in a single season record, either. (At least I think that's the record.) The career points records also go to Redden with 410 regular season points and 45 post-seasoners, and I think Karlsson has the potential to surpass those as well. If, say, he averages 40 points a season for the next 10 years (not a stretch, IMO - that could be selling him quite short) he'll surpass Redden by age 29. The playoff ones, granted, depend a lot on the calibre of the Senator teams he plays on.

First, stop calling him EK. Please. That makes me think of Eklund.

Second, "Kid Karlsson" -- that's my kickname for him (think of Kit Carson):


Third, I think he'll beat Redden's playoff points record just in time to toast it legally in Ontario (i.e. his 21st birthday). The Sens will have to win a few series, of course.

SpezDispenser wrote:

marakh wrote:Hey, who changed my title

Sorry, it was me, I'll change in back.

Kid Karlsson? please, anything that can remind of Crosby should be banned.

How about "The Mailman" (Karl Malone)

The kid is a pimp, no matter what he does he does, negative or positive, he's out there doing the exact same thing. Always the same strut and does his own thing.

If you want to give him a nickname, it's Erik "Pimp" Karlsson.

marakh wrote:Kid Karlsson? please, anything that can remind of Crosby should be banned.

Never called him "Kid". Called him "Sid", "Cindy", "Crysby" or "Timbit" but never just "Kid".



(thanks to Dash)

Kid is now 20