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Because he's a player the Sens will need if they want to win a cup. If you look at the best teams in the NHL year over year they are loaded down the middle. Spezza/Turris/ROR is about as good as it gets. You build a forward group around that.

Goaltending and defense for the most part is set.

wow I have to agree that ROR is an interesting option but smith, zib and a conditional 1st in by large an overpayment. they get a 3rd line center back(which is where they have ROR playing in the first place) and Zib which is a really good prospects. that is more then enough. a 3rd is all i'd add to that.

Flo The Action wrote:wow I have to agree that ROR is an interesting option but smith, zib and a conditional 1st in by large an overpayment. they get a 3rd line center back(which is where they have ROR playing in the first place) and Zib which is a really good prospects. that is more then enough. a 3rd is all i'd add to that.

What does Ottawa need with 2 picks in the 27-61 range next year? They are going to add ANOTHER 1st this year and at some point the picks apon picks apon picks will get old quick. Adding Smith is probably the over payment portion I agree but giving them a Greening or Weircioch is not.

ROR IMO is going to be one of those players where you know when it matters, he's going to be there. He's also going to play against the other teams best players every night and still produce 45-50 points a year. It still amazes me how much people over value any kind of pick outside of the top 20 or so.

Why is ROR so much better than Z.Smith? What is it about him that makes it so?

SpezDispenser wrote:Why is ROR so much better than Z.Smith? What is it about him that makes it so?

Besides being 2 years younger and already having a season that Smith will never have...? Also, better on draws, smarter with the puck, smarter without the puck, and just a flat out better player? Besides all that nothing.

ROR probably does have that "it" factor. He's the guy that will be winning a Stanley Cup at some point and he will be up for the Conn Smyth while doing it. No one plays a more complete game at the age of 22. Hell, no one plays a more complete game than him besides maybe a Datysuk and Toews. He doesn't have that offensive upside obviously.

Having said all that he would have to come in at a decent cap hit... similar to Turris. If he's asking for the world then you can't really build around your core players if there is no money left.

I don't know if that's really fair. He had 18 goals last season, Z.Smith had 14. The difference is the ice time factor. O'Reilly played almost 20 a night, Smith played 14 - that means the difference between top line and 3rd line + PP time vs PK time.

I didn't watch the Avs as much as I did other teams last year, so I can only go by stats in this instance, but I think you're proposal is a massive over payment.

I also wonder what kind of numbers he'd put up in Ottawa if he was ever designated 3C when Spezza arrives. Especially if he's asking for 4.5-5 million. Eventually we'll run out of money.

SpezDispenser wrote:I don't know if that's really fair. He had 18 goals last season, Z.Smith had 14. The difference is the ice time factor. O'Reilly played almost 20 a night, Smith played 14 - that means the difference between top line and 3rd line + PP time vs PK time.

I didn't watch the Avs as much as I did other teams last year, so I can only go by stats in this instance, but I think you're proposal is a massive over payment.

I also wonder what kind of numbers he'd put up in Ottawa if he was ever designated 3C when Spezza arrives. Especially if he's asking for 4.5-5 million. Eventually we'll run out of money.

I wouldn't trade for him if he was asking and not going to accept anything less than 4.5-5 mil a season. Again, a Turris type deal.

As for Smith, like I said that's an overpayment for sure but ROR is the better player. Anyways, we'll see what happens.

Yeah, I wouldn't count on us doing anything like that right now. I'd actually rather go after a young, right handed stud, but they're near impossible to get.

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, I wouldn't count on us doing anything like that right now. I'd actually rather go after a young, right handed stud, but they're near impossible to get.

Won't be getting one, the next best thing is Ceci and who knows, maybe he can do the job next season. The Sens would be near the top of the NHL for years with Spezza/Turris/ROR to go along with the worlds best D man and perhaps the best NHL tandom in Anderson/Lehner. A lot easier to get a big time winger to sign in Ottawa if that's what he has to work with.

Is ceci a righty?

Ceci is a righty.

yes well I think ROR IS asking for more money and just the fact that he didn't signed a lower deal with a trade following (like Turris) is a sign that that's the money he's looking for.
I aslo didn't realized you were offering next years 1st. still too much, maybe a second.
The deal I see is Greening, zib and the 2014 second tops(but preferably a 3rd).
I guess none of us are too hot on Greening right now so we'd all buy in. then again I wonder if they'd go for Pumpel instead of Zib.

yes Greening(or smith), Pumpel and a 2nd is good enough.

Again though, I'm actually not sure how long away Ceci is. 2 years? 1 maybe? 3?

Flo The Action wrote:yes well I think ROR IS asking for more money and just the fact that he didn't signed a lower deal with a trade following (like Turris) is a sign that that's the money he's looking for.
I aslo didn't realized you were offering next years 1st. still too much, maybe a second.
The deal I see is Greening, zib and the 2014 second tops(but preferably a 3rd).
I guess none of us are too hot on Greening right now so we'd all buy in. then again I wonder if they'd go for Pumpel instead of Zib.

yes Greening(or smith), Pumpel and a 2nd is good enough.

You might have to offer a lot to outbid the serious interest from other teams. People were pissed when they saw what we gave up for Turris. If we land ROR I think people will be a little shocked at the price.

However I think we need to seize the opportunity. Spezza has 2 years left and he might blow his back out again next year and we'll be in the same place as this year. RoR and Smith aren't even in the same category skill wise.

As for his contract demands, I suspect he wants out, Turris wanted the same amount but later admitted it wasn't about the money and he simply made an outrageous demand to force a trade.

Colorado is known to be cheap and they play hardball with their free agents. There is pretty much no negotiation with them, you take what you are given or you can Diddle off or they'll trade you. They did this with Anderson.

Flo The Action wrote:yes well I think ROR IS asking for more money and just the fact that he didn't signed a lower deal with a trade following (like Turris) is a sign that that's the money he's looking for.
I aslo didn't realized you were offering next years 1st. still too much, maybe a second.
The deal I see is Greening, zib and the 2014 second tops(but preferably a 3rd).
I guess none of us are too hot on Greening right now so we'd all buy in. then again I wonder if they'd go for Pumpel instead of Zib.

yes Greening(or smith), Pumpel and a 2nd is good enough.

I'm not offering anything, lol, I'm just spit balling and I said it would be on the condition that they make it to the conference final which would be the 27th-30th pick.

Hoags wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:yes well I think ROR IS asking for more money and just the fact that he didn't signed a lower deal with a trade following (like Turris) is a sign that that's the money he's looking for.
I aslo didn't realized you were offering next years 1st. still too much, maybe a second.
The deal I see is Greening, zib and the 2014 second tops(but preferably a 3rd).
I guess none of us are too hot on Greening right now so we'd all buy in. then again I wonder if they'd go for Pumpel instead of Zib.

yes Greening(or smith), Pumpel and a 2nd is good enough.

You might have to offer a lot to outbid the serious interest from other teams. People were pissed when they saw what we gave up for Turris. If we land ROR I think people will be a little shocked at the price.

However I think we need to seize the opportunity. Spezza has 2 years left and he might blow his back out again next year and we'll be in the same place as this year.

As for his contract demands, I suspect he wants out, Turris wanted the same amount but later admitted it wasn't about the money and he simply made an outrageous demand to force a trade.

Exactly, I am of the opinion that ROR wants out, that's it and he isn't playing hard ball, he just wants to make it impossible for Colorado to sign him.

A team like the Pens getting ROR or the Rangers would make it that much harder for the Sens to actually win out in the East. Ottawa is probably best situated to make a move for ROR and for the turn from decent team to contender with him.

SpezDispenser wrote:Again though, I'm actually not sure how long away Ceci is. 2 years? 1 maybe? 3?

Not sure where Ceci's learning curve lies, it's been a weird year for him and I have no idea what Ottawa's management really thinks about him. If he made the team out of camp I wouldn't be surprised. If he didn't crack the roster for 2 more seasons I wouldn't be surprised.