2012/13 Lineup

I'm not disagreeing, I am just saying I don't think anything is set in stone. When it is resolved, we will know. Right now it's just a lot of back and forth negotiating and posturing, right?

Like I said, shouldn't teams have a right to spend as little as they want? But sure, by that logic one could argue that they should be able to spend as much as they want.

Only reason I suggest that is because some teams might lose a lot of players and their high cap hit once year and they may not want to feel obligated and forced to replace it with some arbitrary contract, knowing that in a few years they might have a star player to re-sign that would bring their team cap back up, or they might want to save it to spend on a big fish via FA.

Some might argue it is not fair that the rich teams have to pay charity to the poor teams because they cannot afford to spend to the required floor, but is it also then not fair that the teams that can afford to pay more than the cap ceiling are not allowed?

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not panicking, it's just looking at a possible outcome. Just like if it doesn't go down, what do teams do? Sign a guy to a 500% inflated salary just to become compliant?

Riprock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not panicking, it's just looking at a possible outcome. Just like if it doesn't go down, what do teams do? Sign a guy to a 500% inflated salary just to become compliant?

Not talking about you, more about people who I hear talking about it with such concern. If we get to that point, we'll take a cap dump, or sign a Huselius type player, but that main concern is if this is the lineup we can compete with right now IMO.

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

So...you don't like the lineup we're going in with right now?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

Why would they spend money when they didn't have to? For the sake of spending money? What would should have been done differently this off season in terms of what actually happened?

There was literally no UFA's outside of Parise and Suter that were worth that kind of cash, they committed 45 million to Karlsson, they made moves to improve their team in their eyes, and they signed all the players in the organization they had to.

Being cheap is one thing, being stupid is another. I like what the Sens did this off season and they just happened to spend little cash doing it.

The fact that they were pushing hard for Nash shows that they will spend when they feel they need to. Hopefully they continue to be in the mix for some other potential trades. We'll see.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

So...you don't like the lineup we're going in with right now?

Hey, I liked it when Rob Gaudreau was one of my favourite players. This team should be making improvements. Even the top teams don't settle for winning seasons why should Ottawa be happy with a 1st round playoff exit?

shabbs wrote:The fact that they were pushing hard for Nash shows that they will spend when they feel they need to. Hopefully they continue to be in the mix for some other potential trades. We'll see.

Maybe at the trade deadline. There's not much in the free agent market left anyway.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

So...you don't like the lineup we're going in with right now?

Hey, I liked it when Rob Gaudreau was one of my favourite players. This team should be making improvements. Even the top teams don't settle for winning seasons why should Ottawa be happy with a 1st round playoff exit?

They shouldnt but they made moves to improve their team. They replaced Foligno and added Methot. They also signed Lundin for some depth and they tried to get Nash and would have landed him if it wasn't for his NTC. Not sure what else you expect from a team to be honest.

shabbs wrote:The fact that they were pushing hard for Nash shows that they will spend when they feel they need to. Hopefully they continue to be in the mix for some other potential trades. We'll see.

Yeah, that's a big thing. Teams don't go hard after 8 million dollar players unless they're willing to spend. I would assume at this point that Murray and co. haven't found the right player to spent a lot of money on.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Hey, I liked it when Rob Gaudreau was one of my favourite players. This team should be making improvements. Even the top teams don't settle for winning seasons why should Ottawa be happy with a 1st round playoff exit?

We are improved, a lot of the improvement comes from within(either prospects coming in or improving as they gain experience).

The free agency and trade markets are getting worse and worse, are you saying we HAVE to make a big splash every off-season just for the sake of making a big splash and because we have money to burn ? Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. That's the kind of mentality that has your GM trading 2 1st rounders for Kessel.

There is no one I really wanted this off-season, Nash would have been nice if we didn't have to give up any major pieces like NYR did (Lehner is a no deal for me IMHO), otherwise the ridiculous contracts Parise and Suter got are asinine. The new CBA will probably make those and Weber's offer sheet illegal anyway.

We may still be in the Bobby Ryan sweepstakes and possibly someone else, but I am a big fan of not signing some big FA to a contract he doesn't deserve and have us regretting it 3 years into the deal or less.

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

So...you don't like the lineup we're going in with right now?

Hey, I liked it when Rob Gaudreau was one of my favourite players. This team should be making improvements. Even the top teams don't settle for winning seasons why should Ottawa be happy with a 1st round playoff exit?

They shouldnt but they made moves to improve their team. They replaced Foligno and added Methot. They also signed Lundin for some depth and they tried to get Nash and would have landed him if it wasn't for his NTC. Not sure what else you expect from a team to be honest.

Neither of those moves are improvements. Nothing against Methot, I'd even go as far as to say that he might be an improvement on Kuba. The Foligno for Methot move tells me that Ottawa didn't want to pay for both players because I'm sure Columbus would have moved Methot for less just to rid themselves of the salary.

Certainly, the UFA picking were somewhat slim, also Nash was a douchebag for not wanting a chance to play with Spezza, and I can live with that part of it.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

So...you don't like the lineup we're going in with right now?

Hey, I liked it when Rob Gaudreau was one of my favourite players. This team should be making improvements. Even the top teams don't settle for winning seasons why should Ottawa be happy with a 1st round playoff exit?

They shouldnt but they made moves to improve their team. They replaced Foligno and added Methot. They also signed Lundin for some depth and they tried to get Nash and would have landed him if it wasn't for his NTC. Not sure what else you expect from a team to be honest.

Neither of those moves are improvements. Nothing against Methot, I'd even go as far as to say that he might be an improvement on Kuba. The Foligno for Methot move tells me that Ottawa didn't want to pay for both players because I'm sure Columbus would have moved Methot for less just to rid themselves of the salary.

Certainly, the UFA picking were somewhat slim, also Nash was a douchebag for not wanting a chance to play with Spezza, and I can live with that part of it.

Totally agree. I personally don't see how we've improved and I don't expect us to make the playoffs this season. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

So...you don't like the lineup we're going in with right now?

Hey, I liked it when Rob Gaudreau was one of my favourite players. This team should be making improvements. Even the top teams don't settle for winning seasons why should Ottawa be happy with a 1st round playoff exit?

They shouldnt but they made moves to improve their team. They replaced Foligno and added Methot. They also signed Lundin for some depth and they tried to get Nash and would have landed him if it wasn't for his NTC. Not sure what else you expect from a team to be honest.

Neither of those moves are improvements. Nothing against Methot, I'd even go as far as to say that he might be an improvement on Kuba. The Foligno for Methot move tells me that Ottawa didn't want to pay for both players because I'm sure Columbus would have moved Methot for less just to rid themselves of the salary.

Certainly, the UFA picking were somewhat slim, also Nash was a douchebag for not wanting a chance to play with Spezza, and I can live with that part of it.

Yes, they improved their defense.

False, they signed Foligno to more money a couple of days later. They would have moved Methot for Foligno.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

So...you don't like the lineup we're going in with right now?

Hey, I liked it when Rob Gaudreau was one of my favourite players. This team should be making improvements. Even the top teams don't settle for winning seasons why should Ottawa be happy with a 1st round playoff exit?

They shouldnt but they made moves to improve their team. They replaced Foligno and added Methot. They also signed Lundin for some depth and they tried to get Nash and would have landed him if it wasn't for his NTC. Not sure what else you expect from a team to be honest.

Neither of those moves are improvements. Nothing against Methot, I'd even go as far as to say that he might be an improvement on Kuba. The Foligno for Methot move tells me that Ottawa didn't want to pay for both players because I'm sure Columbus would have moved Methot for less just to rid themselves of the salary.

Certainly, the UFA picking were somewhat slim, also Nash was a douchebag for not wanting a chance to play with Spezza, and I can live with that part of it.

Totally agree. I personally don't see how we've improved and I don't expect us to make the playoffs this season. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Bummer, sucks being short sighted.

NEELY wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not even about money. It's about winning for crying out loud. I think it's bush-league not to spend a little money, not to the cap, maybe just a little above the floor, to attempt to build on last years success.

So...you don't like the lineup we're going in with right now?

Hey, I liked it when Rob Gaudreau was one of my favourite players. This team should be making improvements. Even the top teams don't settle for winning seasons why should Ottawa be happy with a 1st round playoff exit?

They shouldnt but they made moves to improve their team. They replaced Foligno and added Methot. They also signed Lundin for some depth and they tried to get Nash and would have landed him if it wasn't for his NTC. Not sure what else you expect from a team to be honest.

Neither of those moves are improvements. Nothing against Methot, I'd even go as far as to say that he might be an improvement on Kuba. The Foligno for Methot move tells me that Ottawa didn't want to pay for both players because I'm sure Columbus would have moved Methot for less just to rid themselves of the salary.

Certainly, the UFA picking were somewhat slim, also Nash was a douchebag for not wanting a chance to play with Spezza, and I can live with that part of it.

Totally agree. I personally don't see how we've improved and I don't expect us to make the playoffs this season. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Bummer, sucks being short sighted.

That wasn't necessary.

It is short sighted. How someone can look at the team who started last year vs the team that will start this year and say it isn't improved is just crazy.

Goaltending? Better. Bishop can be counted on for 20 plus games. Auld?
Forwards? Better. Turris will be here from day 1, that only helps.
Defense? Maybe the same, I think better.

They just need to build on last year to be the same and IMO will be better. I think the compete for the division because they know exactly what they have, the players know exactly what their roles are, and they know exactly what to do in their system.

I'm not even saying the Sens are a lock for the playoffs but how anyone can say right now that the team that started last (who made the playoffs) is better than the team that will start this year, well like I said, totally short sighted.