2012/13 Lineup

I think they'll see what Wiercioch does in Bingo for the first 20 games or so. We know they love Boroweicki and they signed Lundin for a reason. No room for Wiercioch yet.

Why does everyone think Lundin is the #6 and Boro is #7? Lundin has 35 points in 241 NHL games, so he's not an offensive D-man. He also has just 54 PIMs, so he's not the tough, rough SOB that we all know Boro already is. I honestly think that Boro is expected to be the 3rd pairing guy and Lundin is only there as insurance.

That's an expensive insurance policy.

Didn't even think of that, sorry. But with their cap situation it's not a problem. All 7D will get their licks in, and even the lowest guy in the totem pole -- assuming he, himself, is not injured long-term -- should get 40 games in.

Usually the "insurance" guy is a seasoned NHLer and you're not going to get too many to play for league min. Lundin's $1.15M is far from outrageous, even if he only plays 40 games.

That said, he's only 27 (didn't realize that) so he probably hasn't realized his potential yet.

Per Ian Mendes, Daniel Alfredsson returning next year. Alfie "feels better at this point than he did last year".

Alfi coming back is so huge. He is still arguably the best forward on the Sens. This is only going to help the Sens now and going forward especially for the Swedish kids.

The Hockey News has it posted as of 9am as well although they could be using Mendes as their source.

But now so has TSN

does that make it official?

Yes. Mendes has a quote from Alfie.

Not surprising at all, but still really great news.

wprager wrote:Didn't even think of that, sorry. But with their cap situation it's not a problem. All 7D will get their licks in, and even the lowest guy in the totem pole -- assuming he, himself, is not injured long-term -- should get 40 games in.

Usually the "insurance" guy is a seasoned NHLer and you're not going to get too many to play for league min. Lundin's $1.15M is far from outrageous, even if he only plays 40 games.

That said, he's only 27 (didn't realize that) so he probably hasn't realized his potential yet.

Cap situation, no, not a problem. Payroll situation, kind of odd. If they are looking for a cheap guy to rotate in and out, have to think there were other options.

I think the Sens primary objective is to build, with winning being a bonus. If the Sens were 100% committed to winning, they would have iced the best line-up in the playoffs, not inserting two NHL rookies in crucial games. And no, Silfverberg and Stone are not Kreider. Huge difference, if you disagree, can't help you there. Kreider was a huge offensive producer for the Rangers.

Sens just want to give their young guys all the opportunity to succeed. If they win, awesome, if they lose no big deal. It's going to be a learning experiment. It sucks though, cause Alfie will not have the best shot to win a cup.

As far as cap goes, Sens aren't even close to being compliant. Something has to give, and with no spots really available, you think a significant trade might have to happen.

Cap floor is going to come down with this new CBA. The Sens will be more than compliant once the CBA is signed.

I bet the the cap lowers by 5-10 mil. Teams can't even afford to spend to the floor.

Well right now is there even a guarantee that happens? Teams haven't been able to spend for years now, but they had to. That has caused serious problems, like revenue sharing. So remove the floor, or lower it - but it just forces teams to spend. Now there's no correlation between spending and winning - a team CAN win with a low payroll, but the teams that refuse or cannot spend to keep star players (like Weber) suffer.

Phoenix is such a joke, they need to just resolve it now - move the team to the highest bidder, pay off the debts, and cut loses.

The cap is going down for sure, there isn't a lot of question about it. 57% of revenues for the players is way too much and everyone knows it.

Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

I'm not disagreeing, I am just saying I don't think anything is set in stone. When it is resolved, we will know. Right now it's just a lot of back and forth negotiating and posturing, right?

Like I said, shouldn't teams have a right to spend as little as they want? But sure, by that logic one could argue that they should be able to spend as much as they want.

Only reason I suggest that is because some teams might lose a lot of players and their high cap hit once year and they may not want to feel obligated and forced to replace it with some arbitrary contract, knowing that in a few years they might have a star player to re-sign that would bring their team cap back up, or they might want to save it to spend on a big fish via FA.

Some might argue it is not fair that the rich teams have to pay charity to the poor teams because they cannot afford to spend to the required floor, but is it also then not fair that the teams that can afford to pay more than the cap ceiling are not allowed?

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not panicking, it's just looking at a possible outcome. Just like if it doesn't go down, what do teams do? Sign a guy to a 500% inflated salary just to become compliant?

Riprock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, that's why people who panic about us being under the cap floor need to take a step back and see how it plays out. I think it'll go down - and affect this year's cap, so I think we'll slide right over the cap floor.

The question fans should be asking themselves is: do you like the makeup of the team? Don't worry about the $$, focus in on the team and assess like that. Last year proved that we don't need to spend money just for fun.

It's not panicking, it's just looking at a possible outcome. Just like if it doesn't go down, what do teams do? Sign a guy to a 500% inflated salary just to become compliant?

Not talking about you, more about people who I hear talking about it with such concern. If we get to that point, we'll take a cap dump, or sign a Huselius type player, but that main concern is if this is the lineup we can compete with right now IMO.