2012/13 Lineup

Riprock wrote:Look back at the playoff threads - people were calling for a re-signing on the spot. Pretty sure Neely was one of them. I just get lost in the discussion and the inconsistency.

lots of flip-flopping of opinions indeed

Not to mention where does Penner fit into all of this? lol. Same with the defence - I remember being told to find 10 UFA d-men better than Kuba, and now people are suggesting Garrison and Zanon > Kuba, but when I hypothetically listed 10 people I was "an idiot" lol.

The way people are reacting you'd think the Sens were rolling 5 forward liens, 4 defensive pairings and 3 goalies...

Parise/Penner-Spezza-Michalek
Silfverberg/Michalek-Turris-Alfredsson
Foligno-Smith-Neil
Greening-Winchester-Condra
O'Brien-Konopka/Kelly-Regin

Karlsson-Kuba
Phillips-Cowen
Carkner-Boroweicki
Gonchar-?

Anderson
Lehner
Bishop

Riprock wrote:Look back at the playoff threads - people were calling for a re-signing on the spot. Pretty sure Neely was one of them. I just get lost in the discussion and the inconsistency.

Kelly might be an option - and if he is, you don't re-sign Konopka I guess. Nor do you re-sign Winchester obviously.

Kelly probably wants to cash in on his good performance this year, and would he want to come back to Ottawa after being traded? And would Ottawa pay him considering Eugene is a cheap bastard?

Riprock wrote:Kelly probably wants to cash in on his good performance this year, and would he want to come back to Ottawa after being traded? And would Ottawa pay him considering Eugene is a cheap bastard?

Murray said that he hated trading him and that it was one of the hardest things he's ever done. The management and players all love him, he knows that we could use some leadership, but that we're close. He still has a house here, roots here. I could see it personally. Not sure if it's exactly what we need, but I could see him coming back.

Kuba being better than say Garrison or whoever else isn't the question. It's what they bring and what Kuba brings not be as valuable as (the example) Garrison.

Ottawa needs a LH shot on the PP and they also need a much more physical D man.

When you talk about "better" it's about the "better" fit. It's about putting the right pieces together.

As for Konopka, yah, I thought he would be resigned after that playoff and I honestly thought Regin was going to walk but that's obviously not the case. It's not what I would have done but I'm not being paid and have no one to answer to. if that's the way they want to build the team then it's probably the right decision.

Maybe they think Smith can fill that role next year after his first full season in the NHL. Maybe they feel they have enough toughness up front.

As for Kelly, like I said, he would fit on 30 NHL teams and the Sens PK does need a little help.

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:The contract is for $800K -- so not risky.

Having a 2nd line of Regin-Turris-Alfie -- does not have a lot of grit on it... I think PM likes grit on every line...

I don't think Regin can be top-six on this team. His cap hit indicates he's a third liner at best. I'm not saying that cap hit is supposed to indicate this, but Murray *just* gave him this contract, so that is his estimation of his worth to the team right now. He would not think twice about signing a 3rd/4th line player for $800K.

I don't think that you're looking at the whole picture. The fact that Regin's been injured so much clearly brought his value down. You can't just say that he was signed for $800K and is therefore a 3/4 liner. Clearly, other factors are involved.

This isn't to say that he's definitely a top-6 player, just that your logic is off.

It wasn't so much logic as it was gut-feel.

wprager wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:The contract is for $800K -- so not risky.

Having a 2nd line of Regin-Turris-Alfie -- does not have a lot of grit on it... I think PM likes grit on every line...

I don't think Regin can be top-six on this team. His cap hit indicates he's a third liner at best. I'm not saying that cap hit is supposed to indicate this, but Murray *just* gave him this contract, so that is his estimation of his worth to the team right now. He would not think twice about signing a 3rd/4th line player for $800K.

I don't think that you're looking at the whole picture. The fact that Regin's been injured so much clearly brought his value down. You can't just say that he was signed for $800K and is therefore a 3/4 liner. Clearly, other factors are involved.

This isn't to say that he's definitely a top-6 player, just that your logic is off.

It wasn't so much logic as it was gut-feel.

That makes more sense to me, then. FWIW, I think he'll be a top-9 player. I think he probably fits in on the third line, but we'll see.

So curious what Murray, Murray and Dorion are thinking....

Foligno - Spezza - Michalek

Silfverberg - Turris - Alfredsson

Regin - Z.Smith - Neil

Greening - O'Brien - Condra

Extras:
Konopka

UFA* - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Carkner
Boroweicki

Anderson
Bishop

Something like that I guess. Really, the writing is on the wall though, I'd love to keep Konopka, so do we move Foligno or someone in the bottom 6, or what?

EDIT: I've changed my mind, I think the forwards are good enough, it's time to get a defensive D-man who's worth a damn to solidify the D. Allen, Garrison, Bogosian (), someone big who knows where the defensive end is.

Foligno on the top line? No chance. Guy's a second liner at the most. Him and Spezza on the ice together would be a disaster - they'd both just be trying to out dangle eachother.

Big Ev wrote:Foligno on the top line? No chance. Guy's a second liner at the most. Him and Spezza on the ice together would be a disaster - they'd both just be trying to out dangle eachother.

Even the second line might be a stretch. I wonder how he'd fit on a third line with Regin and Smith. Might be dangerous. Can Greening or Foligno play the right side? A third line of Foligno-Smith-Greening would be pretty awesome, IMO.

Big Ev wrote:Foligno on the top line? No chance. Guy's a second liner at the most. Him and Spezza on the ice together would be a disaster - they'd both just be trying to out dangle eachother.

Then that ruins my little lineup and makes yet another bottom 6 guy expendable. If Foligno could learn how to drive the net and not get called all the time, he and Michalek with Spezza could be of use. If not, then....it would be near useless.

Hate to say...but Fat Penner looks great right now.

spader wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Foligno on the top line? No chance. Guy's a second liner at the most. Him and Spezza on the ice together would be a disaster - they'd both just be trying to out dangle eachother.

Even the second line might be a stretch. I wonder how he'd fit on a third line with Regin and Smith. Might be dangerous. Can Greening or Foligno play the right side? A third line of Foligno-Smith-Greening would be pretty awesome, IMO.

Neil on the 4th line? Doubt that happens personally.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Foligno on the top line? No chance. Guy's a second liner at the most. Him and Spezza on the ice together would be a disaster - they'd both just be trying to out dangle eachother.

Then that ruins my little lineup and makes yet another bottom 6 guy expendable. If Foligno could learn how to drive the net and not get called all the time, he and Michalek with Spezza could be of use. If not, then....it would be near useless.

Hate to say...but Fat Penner looks great right now.

I'd be happy if Foligno could learn how to get a shot off before he passes the net. If I had a dollar for every time he dangled until he was out of a shooting position, I'd be buying pizza from Willy's for everyone.

SpezDispenser wrote:

spader wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Foligno on the top line? No chance. Guy's a second liner at the most. Him and Spezza on the ice together would be a disaster - they'd both just be trying to out dangle eachother.

Even the second line might be a stretch. I wonder how he'd fit on a third line with Regin and Smith. Might be dangerous. Can Greening or Foligno play the right side? A third line of Foligno-Smith-Greening would be pretty awesome, IMO.

Neil on the 4th line? Doubt that happens personally.

We'll see what happens. That would be a dangerous 3rd line. Oh, I should mention that I intended to type Foligno-Regin-Greening, not Smith. Not considering any of the other line combinations, that would be a scary 3rd line. It would almost be a 2B line.

Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfie/UFA
Foligno - O'Brien - Kelly
Condra - Smith - Neil
Regin
Konopka/Winchester

Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Boro/UFA
Carkner

Anderson
Bishop

stempniaksen wrote:Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfie/UFA
Foligno - O'Brien - Kelly
Condra - Smith - Neil
Regin
Konopka/Winchester

Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Boro/UFA
Carkner

Anderson
Bishop

That lineup makes me think a trade or a pickup is necessary. I can't imagine another season with Greening on the top line. He just doesn't fit.

spader wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfie/UFA
Foligno - O'Brien - Kelly
Condra - Smith - Neil
Regin
Konopka/Winchester

Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Boro/UFA
Carkner

Anderson
Bishop

That lineup makes me think a trade or a pickup is necessary. I can't imagine another season with Greening on the top line. He just doesn't fit.

This. Stick with your scorers on the top 2 lines, grinders on the bottom 2. I can't see them just adding a Kelly and doing nothing else.