2012/13 Lineup

rooneypoo wrote:
The guy is a healthy scratch. He is done in STL. It's not going to take a 1st rounder, is my point.

If there's a bidding war the price may go up to a first. The market will set the price.

rooneypoo wrote:
The guy is a healthy scratch. He is done in STL. It's not going to take a 1st rounder, is my point.

Man, if that's true we should be all over it, but sadly that's not the way it's gonna work. Armstrong will shoot for a 1st + mid-level prospect and get the 1st for sure IMO.

11 goals as a rookie - in 53 games, then 28 goals, then 28 goals, then he goes to a Hitchcock system and can't make it (still scores 15). I mean, look at the situation there, before Hitchcock 15 goals in 26 games for the Blues, then Hitch comes in and he hits a brick wall. Coincidence? Clearly not, but he's still considered a budding power forward. He's 24 years old - he won't even hit 25 until the end of October. There's NO way you're getting him for less than a 1st. It'll be a 1st + - IMO, you can 'book it'.

Anything less would be a steal IMO...I hope we get him for a 3rd + Da Costa or whatever, but I sincerely doubt it.

Gaustad got a 1st rounder Rooney... don't think it's so far out of the relm of possibilty Stewart gets one too. Varlamov was 1/2 packed to Russia and got a 1st.

GMs will do anything to get a player they want.

That said, I am in agreement with people, Stewart would look really good playing in the top 6 in Ottawa.

NEELY wrote:Gaustad got a 1st rounder Rooney... don't think it's so far out of the relm of possibilty Stewart gets one too. Varlamov was 1/2 packed to Russia and got a 1st.

GMs will do anything to get a player they want.

That said, I am in agreement with people, Stewart would look really good playing in the top 6 in Ottawa.

Gaustad was a trade deadline acquisition. Apples and oranges. People routinely overpay at that time of year.

With Varlamov, yeah, I don't get that one. Ditto for Brouwer, although that one makes a bit more sense.

I could see us moving back in the draft (i.e., swapping 1st-round picks with STL) as part of a deal to get it done. But giving it up outright? I dunno. Or maybe if STL's 2nd was coming back, that would be OK.

My point, however, is that Stewart is not "obviously" worth a 1st rounder +. This was an abysmal year for him all around, and he needs to get out of there.

Not obviously worth one but you shouldn't be shocked if he got one. That's all I was saying.

It's obvious to me...24 years old coming off back to back 28 goal years + still an RFA = 1st round pick minimum.

SpezDispenser wrote:It's obvious to me...24 years old coming off back to back 28 goal years + still an RFA = 1st round pick minimum.

That's like saying obviously Dustin Penner is worth a 1st rounder.

He was worth a 1st...back when he was 25 and coming off several good seasons. Edmonton gave up more than that, but now....definitely not.

Although watching him, he's been very good in LA recently.

So, Penner who came off a 32 goal season and a 23 goal season and had a bad year this year vs Stewart who came off a 28 goal season and a 28 goal season who had a bad year this year (55 vs 56 goals) is worth a lot more? Interesting take.

NEELY wrote:So, Penner who came off a 32 goal season and a 23 goal season and had a bad year this year vs Stewart who came off a 28 goal season and a 28 goal season who had a bad year this year (55 vs 56 goals) is worth a lot more? Interesting take.

24 years old vs 29 years old though. Age is absolutely a consideration.

Point being is Penner puts up the exact same #'s and he's worthless but Stewart is worth a 1st + + ?...

To me personally, Penner's career has been going in a downwards spiral for a while. When I watched Edmonton, he didn't skate hard, didn't back check and IMO they were lucky to get a 1st for him. When he got to LA, he appeared fat and lazy - even if it was the coach.

Meanwhile, say what you will, but a guy who was 22 and 23 when he scored 28 goals has considerable upside, whether or not he had an off year. Add in that it was in a Hitchcock system and you can give him the benefit of the doubt a lot more.

Again though, watching Fat Penner recently, I'd say that he's turned the corner noticeably and might not be a write-off after all - but I still say he's not worth nearly as much as Stewart - who I believe would be a sought after asset if they put him on the market.

SpezDispenser wrote:To me personally, Penner's career has been going in a downwards spiral for a while. When I watched Edmonton, he didn't skate hard, didn't back check and IMO they were lucky to get a 1st for him. When he got to LA, he appeared fat and lazy - even if it was the coach.

Meanwhile, say what you will, but a guy who was 22 and 23 when he scored 28 goals has considerable upside, whether or not he had an off year. Add in that it was in a Hitchcock system and you can give him the benefit of the doubt a lot more.

Again though, watching Fat Penner recently, I'd say that he's turned the corner noticeably and might not be a write-off after all - but I still say he's not worth nearly as much as Stewart - who I believe would be a sought after asset if they put him on the market.

He never was but leave it to the media to form peoples opinions for them. Canadian and Edmonton media didn't have his as the scape goat this year.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:To me personally, Penner's career has been going in a downwards spiral for a while. When I watched Edmonton, he didn't skate hard, didn't back check and IMO they were lucky to get a 1st for him. When he got to LA, he appeared fat and lazy - even if it was the coach.

Meanwhile, say what you will, but a guy who was 22 and 23 when he scored 28 goals has considerable upside, whether or not he had an off year. Add in that it was in a Hitchcock system and you can give him the benefit of the doubt a lot more.

Again though, watching Fat Penner recently, I'd say that he's turned the corner noticeably and might not be a write-off after all - but I still say he's not worth nearly as much as Stewart - who I believe would be a sought after asset if they put him on the market.

He never was but leave it to the media to form peoples opinions for them. Canadian and Edmonton media didn't have his as the scape goat this year.

Media never formed my opinion on the fat bastard, watching him did.

Yah, scoring 20 goal every single year tends to sour people that watch him play.

Again, if you watched him at all in Edmonton, you'd have seen he was lazy, fat and slow. When he got to LA, he actually got worse believe it or not.

For the 50th time, watching him in these playoffs, I certainly see a different player, but we'll see how it all shakes out.

Still not nearly worth as much as Stewart IMO.

Stewart has how many cup rings and he's outplaying Penner how in these playoffs?

What are you arguing? Are you saying that Penner holds more value than Stewart?