GDT: Ottawa @ Atlanta - Sun. Mar. 27 @ 2pm ET

tim1_2 wrote:
Spezza is 33% and The Alfie is 30.5%. I'm not a math wizard, but I think I know which is "higher". Maybe you should look at stats before making them up.

Also, 25% is NOT "very good at it". Again, look at stats before commenting on them. The LOWEST team shooting % in the shootout is currently held by the Panthers at 24%. The Sens team % is 28.7%. Having a shootout % that is BARELY above the WORST team average in the league is not good at it. Shannon's % puts him below the NHL average. Again...not "very good at it".

What's the league average amongst players in the shootout? I'd bet it's under 25%, but I can't find the actual stats. Shannon was always considered quite good as the shootout, and again, I'd wager that 25% is above the league average.

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
Spezza is 33% and The Alfie is 30.5%. I'm not a math wizard, but I think I know which is "higher". Maybe you should look at stats before making them up.

Also, 25% is NOT "very good at it". Again, look at stats before commenting on them. The LOWEST team shooting % in the shootout is currently held by the Panthers at 24%. The Sens team % is 28.7%. Having a shootout % that is BARELY above the WORST team average in the league is not good at it. Shannon's % puts him below the NHL average. Again...not "very good at it".

What's the league average amongst players in the shootout? I'd bet it's under 25%, but I can't find the actual stats. Shannon was always considered quite good as the shootout, and again, I'd wager that 25% is above the league average.

NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!! If you can't figure out that 25% is bad given that the WORST team shooting % is 24%, I shouldn't have to provide more stats...but I will because it's clear you need help.

THE NHL AVERAGE SHOOTING % IN THE SHOOTOUT IS...(drum roll please)...32.57%.

Shannon is 7% below the average. Therefore, you could say that he is BELOW AVERAGE in the shootout.

Source: http://www.nhlshootouts.com/

Please stop making me tell you why you are wrong.

Big Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

Every media person/hockey expert says there is no chance.

Is that the right decision - try to be unbiased though. There's no use responding if you're already set that Clouston won't return. If he can coach these guys, guys like Greening, Butler, Condra, Smith, could he not take the reigns next year, considering we're icing a very young team? The only guy that I can agree is better is Muller - and even then, better the guy who coached through the system, no? I was always a Clouston supporter until this year - a year where even with atrocious goaltending he made some terrible choices as head coach - but still, as of right now, we're seeing a team that we could be comfortable with even in loss next year - that is, they seem like they care, they work hard, and they're much faster. I don't see what the team would have to lose by re-signing him right now.

Umm, why??!

Coaching career

Muller began his coaching career with the Queen's University Golden Gaels. In 2005-06, Muller was Head Coach of the Queen’s University Golden Gaels, in his hometown of Kingston, posting an 8-13-1-2 record in the Ontario University Athletics Conference.

Muller also held the title of Assistant Coach to Marc Habscheid with Team Canada, winning the gold medal at the 2005 Lotto Cup Tournament in Slovakia. In March 2006, he served as Assistant Coach to Greg Gilbert at the Under-18 World Championship.

Kirk Muller returned to the Montreal Canadiens organization on June 20, 2006, when he was named Assistant Coach of the Canadiens. He continues to serve in this post.

What, in that resume, screams that he's better than Clouston?

By comparison, here is Clouston's *NHL* coaching record: 116 games, 63 wins, 43 losses, 10 OTLs. He's also had a ton more coaching experience outside of the NHL.

By this logic why is any coach ever fired? You could say that Clouston wasn't any beter than the guy he replaced.

Edit: Clouston wouldn't be fired, he'd just not be extended. We have to fnid a coach.

I'm simply asking (and, by the way, the question was aimed at SpezD) why he thought some clearly that Muller was better when facts imply that this cannot be determined objectively at this point in time.

Also, what the hell is your point, anyway?

wprager wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

Every media person/hockey expert says there is no chance.

Is that the right decision - try to be unbiased though. There's no use responding if you're already set that Clouston won't return. If he can coach these guys, guys like Greening, Butler, Condra, Smith, could he not take the reigns next year, considering we're icing a very young team? The only guy that I can agree is better is Muller - and even then, better the guy who coached through the system, no? I was always a Clouston supporter until this year - a year where even with atrocious goaltending he made some terrible choices as head coach - but still, as of right now, we're seeing a team that we could be comfortable with even in loss next year - that is, they seem like they care, they work hard, and they're much faster. I don't see what the team would have to lose by re-signing him right now.

Umm, why??!

Coaching career

Muller began his coaching career with the Queen's University Golden Gaels. In 2005-06, Muller was Head Coach of the Queen’s University Golden Gaels, in his hometown of Kingston, posting an 8-13-1-2 record in the Ontario University Athletics Conference.

Muller also held the title of Assistant Coach to Marc Habscheid with Team Canada, winning the gold medal at the 2005 Lotto Cup Tournament in Slovakia. In March 2006, he served as Assistant Coach to Greg Gilbert at the Under-18 World Championship.

Kirk Muller returned to the Montreal Canadiens organization on June 20, 2006, when he was named Assistant Coach of the Canadiens. He continues to serve in this post.

What, in that resume, screams that he's better than Clouston?

By comparison, here is Clouston's *NHL* coaching record: 116 games, 63 wins, 43 losses, 10 OTLs. He's also had a ton more coaching experience outside of the NHL.

By this logic why is any coach ever fired? You could say that Clouston wasn't any beter than the guy he replaced.

Edit: Clouston wouldn't be fired, he'd just not be extended. We have to fnid a coach.

I'm simply asking (and, by the way, the question was aimed at SpezD) why he thought some clearly that Muller was better when facts imply that this cannot be determined objectively at this point in time.

Also, what the hell is your point, anyway?

I don't have a point if you are going to be so snippy.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
Spezza is 33% and The Alfie is 30.5%. I'm not a math wizard, but I think I know which is "higher". Maybe you should look at stats before making them up.

Also, 25% is NOT "very good at it". Again, look at stats before commenting on them. The LOWEST team shooting % in the shootout is currently held by the Panthers at 24%. The Sens team % is 28.7%. Having a shootout % that is BARELY above the WORST team average in the league is not good at it. Shannon's % puts him below the NHL average. Again...not "very good at it".

What's the league average amongst players in the shootout? I'd bet it's under 25%, but I can't find the actual stats. Shannon was always considered quite good as the shootout, and again, I'd wager that 25% is above the league average.

NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!! If you can't figure out that 25% is bad given that the WORST team shooting % is 24%, I shouldn't have to provide more stats...but I will because it's clear you need help.

THE NHL AVERAGE SHOOTING % IN THE SHOOTOUT IS...(drum roll please)...32.57%.

Shannon is 7% below the average. Therefore, you could say that he is BELOW AVERAGE in the shootout.

Source: http://www.nhlshootouts.com/

Please stop making me tell you why you are wrong.

k who gives a rat's ass if he's below league average? He was absolutely the RIGHT choice considering his recent scoring surge. I'm not sure why you had such an issue with it....if you're considering percentages, then you want butler who is 0% over shannon who is 25%. I get it that others haven't had a large enough sample size to prove their worth but whatever...I really don't feel more confident with alfie going in despite his sparkling 30% average being better than shannon's....the guy has missed a ton, and so has spezza.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
Spezza is 33% and The Alfie is 30.5%. I'm not a math wizard, but I think I know which is "higher". Maybe you should look at stats before making them up.

Also, 25% is NOT "very good at it". Again, look at stats before commenting on them. The LOWEST team shooting % in the shootout is currently held by the Panthers at 24%. The Sens team % is 28.7%. Having a shootout % that is BARELY above the WORST team average in the league is not good at it. Shannon's % puts him below the NHL average. Again...not "very good at it".

What's the league average amongst players in the shootout? I'd bet it's under 25%, but I can't find the actual stats. Shannon was always considered quite good as the shootout, and again, I'd wager that 25% is above the league average.

NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!! If you can't figure out that 25% is bad given that the WORST team shooting % is 24%, I shouldn't have to provide more stats...but I will because it's clear you need help.

THE NHL AVERAGE SHOOTING % IN THE SHOOTOUT IS...(drum roll please)...32.57%.

Shannon is 7% below the average. Therefore, you could say that he is BELOW AVERAGE in the shootout.

Source: http://www.nhlshootouts.com/

Please stop making me tell you why you are wrong.

Regardless, it's not an exact science like you're making it out to be, Tim. Svatos was in the shootout because he scored 2 goals. Shannon was in the shootout because he's been red-hot lately. What is he, like 5 goals in 7 games? Something like that. The coach tries to go with the hot hand. I guarantee you, no one is on the bench comparing a chart of lifetime stats prior to writing up their list of shooters. No one.

I have no idea why people debate who does or doesn't shoot in a shootout. For the most part it's about feel and who is confident at that point in time or how the coach feels about his shooters.

If Chris Phillips was sent out over Spezza, ya, I would question that a little, other than that, who cares.

Michallica wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
Spezza is 33% and The Alfie is 30.5%. I'm not a math wizard, but I think I know which is "higher". Maybe you should look at stats before making them up.

Also, 25% is NOT "very good at it". Again, look at stats before commenting on them. The LOWEST team shooting % in the shootout is currently held by the Panthers at 24%. The Sens team % is 28.7%. Having a shootout % that is BARELY above the WORST team average in the league is not good at it. Shannon's % puts him below the NHL average. Again...not "very good at it".

What's the league average amongst players in the shootout? I'd bet it's under 25%, but I can't find the actual stats. Shannon was always considered quite good as the shootout, and again, I'd wager that 25% is above the league average.

NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!! If you can't figure out that 25% is bad given that the WORST team shooting % is 24%, I shouldn't have to provide more stats...but I will because it's clear you need help.

THE NHL AVERAGE SHOOTING % IN THE SHOOTOUT IS...(drum roll please)...32.57%.

Shannon is 7% below the average. Therefore, you could say that he is BELOW AVERAGE in the shootout.

Source: http://www.nhlshootouts.com/

Please stop making me tell you why you are wrong.

k who gives a rat's ass if he's below league average? He was absolutely the RIGHT choice considering his recent scoring surge. I'm not sure why you had such an issue with it....if you're considering percentages, then you want butler who is 0% over shannon who is 25%. I get it that others haven't had a large enough sample size to prove their worth but whatever...I really don't feel more confident with alfie going in despite his sparkling 30% average being better than shannon's....the guy has missed a ton, and so has spezza.

Well, his historical performance in the shootout is probably relevant if you're considering picking him for...a shootout. Given his shootout stats, and his recent attempt against the Rangers (again, awful), I wouldn't have chosen him. I agree he's been a good player lately, but that has nothing to do with the shootout. It's like two different sports.

Butler is 0/1...so yes, that is 0%, but it's not really a large enough sample size. I never said The Alfie and Spezza were good shootout shooters (they are not), but I said that I would have chosen UNPROVEN shootout performers over Shannon, with the hope that they'd at least turn out to be AVERAGE, which would still be better than Shannon.

There was no one on the Sens bench with any history with the shootout...Shannon has been proven to be below average in the shootout...maybe the whole "try out the kids" thing should extend beyond regulation and overtime to the shootout.

Fair enough. I still don't agree completely because then it goes away from the notion of wining the game by putting someone unproven before shannon.

tim1_2 wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!! If you can't figure out that 25% is bad given that the WORST team shooting % is 24%, I shouldn't have to provide more stats...but I will because it's clear you need help.

THE NHL AVERAGE SHOOTING % IN THE SHOOTOUT IS...(drum roll please)...32.57%.

Shannon is 7% below the average. Therefore, you could say that he is BELOW AVERAGE in the shootout.

Source: http://www.nhlshootouts.com/

Please stop making me tell you why you are wrong.

Why would you want to go out of your way to upset me? It doesn't make any sense, I'm calm, I like to talk it out, I rarely get pissed, but I'm getting there, I won't lie.

Do you think that the league average is 24% or whatever, therefore every single shooter is 24%? No, obviously not. That's why I asked, some guys are gonna be in the 66% range, some guys in the 50% range, some guys at 0%, some guys in between, so when I heard 25%, I wrongfully assumed it was above average. I was wrong, I apologize, but it's certainly not worthy of getting all 'annoyed' like you appear to be.

wprager wrote:
I'm simply asking (and, by the way, the question was aimed at SpezD) why he thought some clearly that Muller was better when facts imply that this cannot be determined objectively at this point in time.

I'm fighting FOR Clouston right now, not against. If I had to choose a guy over Clouston, it would be Muller - not because he has experience, he doesn't, but every single report/write-up on him says that he's calm, collected, and brings an amazing resume as a player, has coached in the AHL and has now cached in one of the most hostile markets as an assistant. If we don't get him (assuming Clouston is let go), then someone else will - and I think we'd regret it.

But...we all know now that none of us can predict coaches and how they will do in this market.

spader wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
Spezza is 33% and The Alfie is 30.5%. I'm not a math wizard, but I think I know which is "higher". Maybe you should look at stats before making them up.

Also, 25% is NOT "very good at it". Again, look at stats before commenting on them. The LOWEST team shooting % in the shootout is currently held by the Panthers at 24%. The Sens team % is 28.7%. Having a shootout % that is BARELY above the WORST team average in the league is not good at it. Shannon's % puts him below the NHL average. Again...not "very good at it".

What's the league average amongst players in the shootout? I'd bet it's under 25%, but I can't find the actual stats. Shannon was always considered quite good as the shootout, and again, I'd wager that 25% is above the league average.

NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!! If you can't figure out that 25% is bad given that the WORST team shooting % is 24%, I shouldn't have to provide more stats...but I will because it's clear you need help.

THE NHL AVERAGE SHOOTING % IN THE SHOOTOUT IS...(drum roll please)...32.57%.

Shannon is 7% below the average. Therefore, you could say that he is BELOW AVERAGE in the shootout.

Source: http://www.nhlshootouts.com/

Please stop making me tell you why you are wrong.

Regardless, it's not an exact science like you're making it out to be, Tim. Svatos was in the shootout because he scored 2 goals. Shannon was in the shootout because he's been red-hot lately. What is he, like 5 goals in 7 games? Something like that. The coach tries to go with the hot hand. I guarantee you, no one is on the bench comparing a chart of lifetime stats prior to writing up their list of shooters. No one.

What's annoying me in this thread is that people have been making false statements (i.e. shooting % of Spezza/The Alfie, Shannon being "very good" in the shootout, etc). Shannon was likely chosen because he's been playing well lately, but that does not translate to the shootout. It's almost two different sports.

You say Svatos was chosen because he had two goals (neither one of which had anything to do with shooting or breakaways, BTW)? Nope. Sorry. He was also selected as the #3 shooter versus the Rangers, a game in which he had 12 minutes of ice time and no points. Why was he chosen in that game? The same reason he was chosen versus the Thrashers yesterday - he is historically decent (34%). Compared to the rest of the team, his shootout abilities are great.

There may not be anyone on the bench who is holding the shootout stats, but the coaches AND players KNOW the shootout stats.

Of course I'm going to question our team's shootout choices, especially when they lead to losses. I've done it all season long and I won't stop now. We're the worst team in the history of the shootout, and we need to do better...and that'll only happen if we change things up. The only reason we had a shot in any of our recent shootouts is because of .

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!! If you can't figure out that 25% is bad given that the WORST team shooting % is 24%, I shouldn't have to provide more stats...but I will because it's clear you need help.

THE NHL AVERAGE SHOOTING % IN THE SHOOTOUT IS...(drum roll please)...32.57%.

Shannon is 7% below the average. Therefore, you could say that he is BELOW AVERAGE in the shootout.

Source: http://www.nhlshootouts.com/

Please stop making me tell you why you are wrong.

Why would you want to go out of your way to upset me? It doesn't make any sense, I'm calm, I like to talk it out, I rarely get pissed, but I'm getting there, I won't lie.

Do you think that the league average is 24% or whatever, therefore every single shooter is 24%? No, obviously not. That's why I asked, some guys are gonna be in the 66% range, some guys in the 50% range, some guys at 0%, some guys in between, so when I heard 25%, I wrongfully assumed it was above average. I was wrong, I apologize, but it's certainly not worthy of getting all 'annoyed' like you appear to be.

Sorry man, I just get my panties in a knot when people state things that are clearly false. I can deal with a lot of opinions/etc, but to state things as fact, when they are NOT, it makes me internet-rage. Regardless, my opinions remain the same. Ottawa needs to try different things in the shootout. And that means giving some newbies a shot.

SpezDispenser wrote:

I'm fighting FOR Clouston right now, not against. If I had to choose a guy over Clouston, it would be Muller - not because he has experience, he doesn't, but every single report/write-up on him says that he's calm, collected, and brings an amazing resume as a player, has coached in the AHL and has now cached in one of the most hostile markets as an assistant.

This article is what has me intrigued by Muller:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/darren_eliot/05/17/kirk.muller/index.html

For better or for worse Clouston does seem to favor players whom he has coached before(Regin, Shannon, Elliott, Svatos etc.) I can't imagine the rest of the team not noticing it, much less liking it.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!! If you can't figure out that 25% is bad given that the WORST team shooting % is 24%, I shouldn't have to provide more stats...but I will because it's clear you need help.

THE NHL AVERAGE SHOOTING % IN THE SHOOTOUT IS...(drum roll please)...32.57%.

Shannon is 7% below the average. Therefore, you could say that he is BELOW AVERAGE in the shootout.

Source: http://www.nhlshootouts.com/

Please stop making me tell you why you are wrong.

Why would you want to go out of your way to upset me? It doesn't make any sense, I'm calm, I like to talk it out, I rarely get pissed, but I'm getting there, I won't lie.

Do you think that the league average is 24% or whatever, therefore every single shooter is 24%? No, obviously not. That's why I asked, some guys are gonna be in the 66% range, some guys in the 50% range, some guys at 0%, some guys in between, so when I heard 25%, I wrongfully assumed it was above average. I was wrong, I apologize, but it's certainly not worthy of getting all 'annoyed' like you appear to be.

Sorry man, I just get my panties in a knot when people state things that are clearly false. I can deal with a lot of opinions/etc, but to state things as fact, when they are NOT, it makes me internet-rage. Regardless, my opinions remain the same. Ottawa needs to try different things in the shootout. And that means giving some newbies a shot.

But we don't want the extra points now. Get your mind right, man!

I'd still like to see where Shannon ranks in all the shootout shooters in the league. 25% is quite good for a shootout shooter, 33% is very good, 45%+ would be considered elite.

Shootout - Highest shooting pct in a career (min 10 shots)
1. Petteri Nummelin MIN 8/10 = 80.00
2. Vyacheslav Kozlov ATL 27/46 = 58.70
3. Trevor Linden VAN 7/12 = 58.33
4. T.J. Oshie STL 11/19 = 57.89
5. Frans Nielsen NYI 15/26 = 57.69
6. Jeff Tambellini NYI, VAN 8/14 = 57.14
7. Jeff Hamilton CHI, CAR, TOR 9/16 = 56.25
8. Jarret Stoll EDM, LAK 12/22 = 54.55
9. Mike Santorelli NSH, FLA 7/13 = 53.85
10. Rob Schremp EDM, NYI, ATL 9/17 = 52.94
11. Shawn Horcoff EDM 9/17 = 52.94
12. Jonathan Toews CHI 19/36 = 52.78
13. Erik Christensen PIT, ATL, ANA, NYR 22/42 = 52.38
14. Ales Kotalik BUF, EDM, NYR, CGY 22/44 = 50.00
15. Jeremy Roenick LAK, PHX, SJS 6/12 = 50.00
16. P.A. Parenteau NYR, NYI 5/10 = 50.00
17. Pavel Datsyuk DET 26/54 = 48.15
18. Michal Handzus PHI, LAK 10/21 = 47.62
19. Jussi Jokinen DAL, TBL, CAR 28/59 = 47.46
20. Brad Boyes BOS, STL 24/52 = 46.15
21. Paul Kariya NSH, STL 12/26 = 46.15
22. Viktor Kozlov NJD, NYI, WSH 17/37 = 45.95
23. Radim Vrbata CAR, CHI, PHX, TBL, PHX 22/48 = 45.83
24. Ladislav Nagy PHX, DAL 5/11 = 45.45
25. Joe Pavelski SJS 19/42 = 45.24
26. Zach Parise NJD 21/47 = 44.68
27. Jarkko Ruutu VAN, PIT, OTT 8/18 = 44.44
28. Pavol Demitra LAK, MIN, VAN 15/34 = 44.12
29. Jamie Langenbrunner NJD, DAL 13/30 = 43.33
30. Mikko Koivu MIN 22/51 = 43.14
31. Brad Richards TBL, DAL 25/58 = 43.10
32. Wojtek Wolski COL, PHX, NYR 21/49 = 42.86
33. Robert Nilsson NYI, EDM, NYI 9/21 = 42.86
34. Fernando Pisani EDM 6/14 = 42.86
35. Alex Tanguay COL, CGY, MTL, TBL, CGY 17/40 = 42.50
36. Mats Sundin TOR, VAN 11/26 = 42.31
37. Nigel Dawes NYR, CGY, ATL, MTL 11/26 = 42.31
38. Anze Kopitar LAK 21/50 = 42.00
39. Patrick O'Sullivan LAK, EDM, CAR, MIN 13/31 = 41.94
40. Sergei Zubov DAL 13/31 = 41.94
41. Daniel Briere BUF, PHI 18/43 = 41.86
42. Miroslav Satan NYI, PIT, BOS 15/36 = 41.67
43. Alexander Steen TOR, STL 5/12 = 41.67
44. Bill Guerin DAL, STL, NYI, PIT 5/12 = 41.67
45. Tomas Kaberle TOR 5/12 = 41.67
46. Patrick Kane CHI 17/41 = 41.46
47. Alex Kovalev MTL, OTT, PIT 19/46 = 41.30
48. Nikolai Zherdev CBJ, NYR, PHI 14/34 = 41.18
49. Petr Sykora ANA, NYR, EDM, PIT 11/27 = 40.74
50. Ryane Clowe SJS 11/27 = 40.74
51. Mike Ribeiro MTL, DAL 19/47 = 40.43
52. Sidney Crosby PIT 21/52 = 40.38
53. Tuomo Ruutu CHI, CAR 8/20 = 40.00
54. Robert Lang DET, CHI, MTL, PHX 6/15 = 40.00
55. Vaclav Prospal TBL, NYR 6/15 = 40.00
56. Alex Burrows VAN 4/10 = 40.00
57. Andrei Markov MTL 4/10 = 40.00
58. Fedor Tyutin CBJ 4/10 = 40.00
59. Rod Brind'Amour CAR 4/10 = 40.00
60. Jason Williams DET, CHI, CBJ, DET 13/33 = 39.39
61. Michael Nylander NYR, WSH 11/28 = 39.29
62. Milan Hejduk COL 18/46 = 39.13
63. Matt Cullen CAR, NYR, CAR, MIN 12/31 = 38.71
64. Saku Koivu MTL, ANA 12/31 = 38.71
65. Rick Nash CBJ 22/57 = 38.60
66. John Madden NJD, CHI, MIN 5/13 = 38.46
67. Nicklas Backstrom WSH 8/21 = 38.10
68. Martin Erat NSH 14/37 = 37.84
69. Patrik Elias NJD 14/37 = 37.84
70. Brian Gionta NJD, MTL 18/48 = 37.50
71. Peter Mueller PHX, COL 9/24 = 37.50
72. Nikolai Kulemin TOR 6/16 = 37.50
73. Brian Rolston MIN, NJD 10/27 = 37.04
74. Lee Stempniak STL, TOR, PHX 10/27 = 37.04
75. Ryan Getzlaf ANA 17/46 = 36.96
76. Kris Letang PIT 14/38 = 36.84
77. Olli Jokinen FLA, PHX, CGY, NYR, CGY 15/41 = 36.59
78. Doug Weight STL, CAR, STL, ANA, NYI 8/22 = 36.36
79. Chris Stewart COL, STL 4/11 = 36.36
80. Fredrik Sjostrom NYR 4/11 = 36.36
81. Raffi Torres EDM, CBJ, VAN 4/11 = 36.36
82. Blake Wheeler BOS, ATL 9/25 = 36.00
83. Brendan Shanahan DET, NYR, NJD 9/25 = 36.00
84. Jiri Hudler DET 9/25 = 36.00
85. Shane Doan PHX 9/25 = 36.00
86. Brent Burns MIN 5/14 = 35.71
87. Maxim Afinogenov BUF, ATL 6/17 = 35.29
88. Andy McDonald ANA, STL 14/40 = 35.00
89. Marian Hossa ATL, DET, CHI 14/40 = 35.00
90. Teemu Selanne ANA 14/40 = 35.00
91. Brendan Morrison VAN, ANA, WSH, CGY 7/20 = 35.00
92. Dan Boyle TBL, SJS 7/20 = 35.00
93. Lauri Korpikoski PHX 7/20 = 35.00
94. Alexander Frolov LAK, NYR 8/23 = 34.78
95. James Neal DAL, PIT 8/23 = 34.78
96. Jason Pominville BUF 9/26 = 34.62
97. Drew Stafford BUF 10/29 = 34.48
98. Marek Svatos COL, OTT 12/35 = 34.29
99. Phil Kessel BOS, TOR 14/42 = 33.33
100. Dustin Brown LAK 13/39 = 33.33
101. Kristian Huselius FLA, CGY, CBJ 12/36 = 33.33
102. Jason Spezza OTT 11/33 = 33.33
103. Todd Bertuzzi VAN, FLA, DET, ANA, CGY, DET 11/33 = 33.33
104. Jack Johnson LAK 10/30 = 33.33
105. Antti Miettinen DAL, MIN 8/24 = 33.33
106. Derek Roy BUF 8/24 = 33.33
107. Kyle Wellwood TOR, VAN, SJS 8/24 = 33.33
108. Joe Sakic COL 7/21 = 33.33
109. Mike Comrie PHX, OTT, NYI, OTT, EDM 7/21 = 33.33
110. Jonathan Cheechoo SJS 6/18 = 33.33
111. Kris Versteeg CHI, TOR, PHI 4/12 = 33.33
112. Ales Hemsky EDM 16/49 = 32.65
113. Thomas Vanek BUF 13/40 = 32.50
114. Alexander Semin WSH 12/37 = 32.43
115. Markus Naslund VAN, NYR 10/31 = 32.26
116. Steve Sullivan NSH 9/28 = 32.14
117. Corey Perry ANA 14/44 = 31.82
118. Jason Blake NYI, TOR, ANA 7/22 = 31.82
119. David Vyborny CBJ 6/19 = 31.58
120. Marek Zidlicky NSH, MIN 6/19 = 31.58
121. Scott Gomez NJD, NYR, MTL 6/19 = 31.58
122. Claude Giroux PHI 5/16 = 31.25
123. David Legwand NSH 5/16 = 31.25
124. Pierre-Marc Bouchard MIN 5/16 = 31.25
125. Alexander Ovechkin WSH 17/55 = 30.91
126. Chris Kunitz ANA, PIT 8/26 = 30.77
127. Jere Lehtinen DAL 4/13 = 30.77
128. Justin Williams CAR, LAK 4/13 = 30.77
129. Matt Pettinger WSH 4/13 = 30.77
130. Travis Zajac NJD 4/13 = 30.77
131. Peter Forsberg PHI, NSH 4/13 = 30.77
132. Daniel Alfredsson OTT 11/36 = 30.56
133. Sergei Samsonov BOS, EDM, MTL, CAR, FLA 7/23 = 30.43
134. Ryan Kesler VAN 9/30 = 30.00
135. David Krejci BOS 6/20 = 30.00
136. Mike Fisher OTT, NSH 6/20 = 30.00
137. Rene Bourque CHI, CGY 6/20 = 30.00
138. Adam Hall NYR, TBL 3/10 = 30.00
139. Jozef Stumpel FLA 3/10 = 30.00
140. Mike Sillinger STL, NSH, NYI 3/10 = 30.00
141. Richard Park VAN, NYI 3/10 = 30.00
142. Ryan Malone PIT, TBL 3/10 = 30.00
143. Tony Amonte CGY 3/10 = 30.00
144. Zdeno Chara BOS 3/10 = 30.00
145. Mike Richards PHI 11/37 = 29.73
146. Marco Sturm SJS, BOS 8/27 = 29.63
147. Steven Reinprecht CGY, PHX, FLA 7/24 = 29.17
148. Alexander Radulov NSH 4/14 = 28.57
149. Mason Raymond VAN 4/14 = 28.57
150. Nathan Horton FLA, BOS 11/40 = 27.50
151. Bryan Little ATL 6/22 = 27.27
152. Simon Gagne PHI, TBL 6/22 = 27.27
153. Trent Hunter NYI 6/22 = 27.27
154. Jakub Voracek CBJ 3/11 = 27.27
155. John Tavares NYI 3/11 = 27.27
156. Marcel Goc NSH 3/11 = 27.27
157. Patrick Marleau SJS 7/26 = 26.92
158. Henrik Zetterberg DET 11/41 = 26.83
159. Mike Modano DAL, DET 8/30 = 26.67
160. Ryan Smyth EDM, NYI, COL, LAK 8/30 = 26.67
161. Darcy Tucker TOR, COL 4/15 = 26.67
162. Dean McAmmond STL, OTT 4/15 = 26.67
163. Marc Savard ATL, BOS 5/19 = 26.32
164. Ray Whitney CAR, PHX 5/19 = 26.32
165. Ilya Kovalchuk ATL, NJD 11/42 = 26.19
166. Mike Cammalleri LAK, CGY, MTL 7/27 = 25.93
167. Vincent Lecavalier TBL 12/48 = 25.00
168. Patrice Bergeron BOS 11/44 = 25.00
169. Jarome Iginla CGY 7/28 = 25.00
170. Andrei Kostitsyn MTL 5/20 = 25.00
171. Loui Eriksson DAL 5/20 = 25.00
172. Rich Peverley NSH, ATL 5/20 = 25.00
173. Cory Stillman CAR, FLA 4/16 = 25.00
174. David Perron STL 4/16 = 25.00
175. Brian Willsie WSH, LAK 3/12 = 25.00
176. Gilbert Brule CBJ, EDM 3/12 = 25.00
177. Keith Tkachuk STL, ATL, STL 3/12 = 25.00
178. Ryan Shannon ANA, VAN, OTT 3/12 = 25.00
179. Ville Peltonen FLA 3/12 = 25.00
180. Evgeni Malkin PIT 7/29 = 24.14
181. Joffrey Lupul ANA, EDM, PHI, ANA, TOR 3/13 = 23.08
182. Jaromir Jagr NYR 5/22 = 22.73
183. Antoine Vermette OTT, CBJ 7/31 = 22.58
184. Patrick Sharp CHI 7/31 = 22.58
185. Niklas Hagman DAL, TOR, CGY 4/18 = 22.22
186. Sam Gagner EDM 8/37 = 21.62
187. Bobby Ryan ANA 3/14 = 21.43
188. Nik Antropov TOR, NYR, ATL 3/14 = 21.43
189. Martin St. Louis TBL 6/29 = 20.69
190. Stephen Weiss FLA 6/30 = 20.00
191. Petr Prucha NYR, PHX 4/20 = 20.00
192. Brooks Laich WSH 3/15 = 20.00
193. Chris Drury BUF, NYR 3/15 = 20.00
194. Alexei Yashin NYI 2/10 = 20.00
195. David Booth FLA 2/10 = 20.00
196. Eric Perrin TBL, ATL 2/10 = 20.00
197. Matthew Lombardi CGY, PHX 2/10 = 20.00
198. Michael Ryder MTL, BOS 5/26 = 19.23
199. Daniel Sedin VAN 4/21 = 19.05
200. Steven Stamkos TBL 4/21 = 19.05
201. Jamie Benn DAL 2/11 = 18.18
202. Sergei Fedorov ANA, CBJ, WSH 2/11 = 18.18
203. Tim Connolly BUF 4/23 = 17.39
204. Rostislav Olesz FLA 3/18 = 16.67
205. Tomas Plekanec MTL 3/18 = 16.67
206. Dan Cleary DET 2/12 = 16.67
207. J.P. Dumont BUF, NSH 2/12 = 16.67
208. Kyle Okposo NYI 2/12 = 16.67
209. Sergei Brylin NJD 2/12 = 16.67
210. Jeff Carter PHI 3/19 = 15.79
211. Dany Heatley OTT, SJS 4/26 = 15.38
212. Matt Duchene COL 2/13 = 15.38
213. Michael Frolik FLA 2/13 = 15.38
214. Martin Havlat OTT, CHI, MIN 3/20 = 15.00
215. Eric Staal CAR 2/14 = 14.29
216. Mark Recchi PIT, CAR, PIT, ATL, TBL, BOS 2/14 = 14.29
217. Marian Gaborik MIN, NYR 2/19 = 10.53
218. Christopher Higgins MTL, NYR, FLA 1/10 = 10.00
219. Dustin Penner EDM, LAK 1/11 = 9.09
220. Alexei Ponikarovsky TOR 1/12 = 8.33
221. Taylor Pyatt VAN, PHX 1/13 = 7.69

SpezDispenser wrote:I'd still like to see where Shannon ranks in all the shootout shooters in the league. 25% is quite good for a shootout shooter, 33% is very good, 45%+ would be considered elite.

I thought so too. Quite frankly i was surprised to hear that Spezza and Alfie are over 30% considering how much those two miss in the shootouts but their sample size is much larger than shannon's (i.e. we see them miss more than shannon) so its easy to get fooled. Even I figured 25% was pretty good....