GDT: Ottawa @ Atlanta - Sun. Mar. 27 @ 2pm ET

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I just don't see how anyone can make that assumption right now that it's 100% not Clouston. I had a lot against him earlier in the year, but I'll gladly admit that a lot of it had to do with the players themselves.

When almost every single person in the media says it's highly unlikely he returns as head coach, especially the people who follow the Sens closely, then I tend to believe them.

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I just don't see how anyone can make that assumption right now that it's 100% not Clouston. I had a lot against him earlier in the year, but I'll gladly admit that a lot of it had to do with the players themselves.

When almost every single person in the media says it's highly unlikely he returns as head coach, especially the people who follow the Sens closely, then I tend to believe them.

Were those the same media people that said Phillips was 100% on the move?

Michallica wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
Shannon is 25% lifetime in the shootout and was coming off of a horrible attempt vs. the Rangers. That is not "very good at it".

25% before the attempt or after the attempt? either way, that percentage is still higher than most of our players....like spezza and alfie.

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I just don't see how anyone can make that assumption right now that it's 100% not Clouston. I had a lot against him earlier in the year, but I'll gladly admit that a lot of it had to do with the players themselves.

When almost every single person in the media says it's highly unlikely he returns as head coach, especially the people who follow the Sens closely, then I tend to believe them.

Were those the same media people that said Phillips was 100% on the move?

No, those people who said either Phillips is traded or he is signed right away.

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I just don't see how anyone can make that assumption right now that it's 100% not Clouston. I had a lot against him earlier in the year, but I'll gladly admit that a lot of it had to do with the players themselves.

When almost every single person in the media says it's highly unlikely he returns as head coach, especially the people who follow the Sens closely, then I tend to believe them.

Were those the same media people that said Phillips was 100% on the move?

No, those people who said either Phillips is traded or he is signed right away.

There wasn't a soul in the media that said Phillips was going to resign. No one had any idea and the notion of him actually being extended was talked about for maybe a second altogether.

The is no one that knows with certainty that Clouston isn't going to be back because unless his replacement is McTavish there are no candidates that are available as of right now.

tim1_2 wrote:

Michallica wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
Shannon is 25% lifetime in the shootout and was coming off of a horrible attempt vs. the Rangers. That is not "very good at it".

25% before the attempt or after the attempt? either way, that percentage is still higher than most of our players....like spezza and alfie.

Spezza is 33% and The Alfie is 30.5%. I'm not a math wizard, but I think I know which is "higher". Maybe you should look at stats before making them up.

Also, 25% is NOT "very good at it". Again, look at stats before commenting on them. The LOWEST team shooting % in the shootout is currently held by the Panthers at 24%. The Sens team % is 28.7%. Having a shootout % that is BARELY above the WORST team average in the league is not good at it. Shannon's % puts him below the NHL average. Again...not "very good at it".

NEELY wrote:I stopped trying to figure out what is going to happen in Ottawa because I don't have any idea.

Big Ev wrote:<--- just look at that cat and forget about Clouston for a while. Brings you joy

NEELY wrote:So is the "new coach in Ottawa" headline. "Clouston will be back" won't sell a lot of papers.

Either way, unless Clouston's replacement is waiting in the wings there is no way people can actually say with certainty he won't be back. Sure, they can guess based on what they have heard but Murray has made some moves that people never expected, same could be done with the coach.

Michallica wrote:
Interesting....I for sure thought spezza and alfie were worse at it considering how much they miss. Again, that's just one point about percentages, but what about who has the scoring touch? I'll ask you the same question I asked big ev....who would you have tried besides shannon, keeping hindsight out of the discussion? and shannon was the first extra guy...you make it sound like he was the main guy for clouston.

tim1_2 wrote:
Spezza is 33% and The Alfie is 30.5%. I'm not a math wizard, but I think I know which is "higher". Maybe you should look at stats before making them up.

Also, 25% is NOT "very good at it". Again, look at stats before commenting on them. The LOWEST team shooting % in the shootout is currently held by the Panthers at 24%. The Sens team % is 28.7%. Having a shootout % that is BARELY above the WORST team average in the league is not good at it. Shannon's % puts him below the NHL average. Again...not "very good at it".

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:
Spezza is 33% and The Alfie is 30.5%. I'm not a math wizard, but I think I know which is "higher". Maybe you should look at stats before making them up.

Also, 25% is NOT "very good at it". Again, look at stats before commenting on them. The LOWEST team shooting % in the shootout is currently held by the Panthers at 24%. The Sens team % is 28.7%. Having a shootout % that is BARELY above the WORST team average in the league is not good at it. Shannon's % puts him below the NHL average. Again...not "very good at it".

What's the league average amongst players in the shootout? I'd bet it's under 25%, but I can't find the actual stats. Shannon was always considered quite good as the shootout, and again, I'd wager that 25% is above the league average.

Big Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

Every media person/hockey expert says there is no chance.

Is that the right decision - try to be unbiased though. There's no use responding if you're already set that Clouston won't return. If he can coach these guys, guys like Greening, Butler, Condra, Smith, could he not take the reigns next year, considering we're icing a very young team? The only guy that I can agree is better is Muller - and even then, better the guy who coached through the system, no? I was always a Clouston supporter until this year - a year where even with atrocious goaltending he made some terrible choices as head coach - but still, as of right now, we're seeing a team that we could be comfortable with even in loss next year - that is, they seem like they care, they work hard, and they're much faster. I don't see what the team would have to lose by re-signing him right now.

Umm, why??!

Coaching career

Muller began his coaching career with the Queen's University Golden Gaels. In 2005-06, Muller was Head Coach of the Queen’s University Golden Gaels, in his hometown of Kingston, posting an 8-13-1-2 record in the Ontario University Athletics Conference.

Muller also held the title of Assistant Coach to Marc Habscheid with Team Canada, winning the gold medal at the 2005 Lotto Cup Tournament in Slovakia. In March 2006, he served as Assistant Coach to Greg Gilbert at the Under-18 World Championship.

Kirk Muller returned to the Montreal Canadiens organization on June 20, 2006, when he was named Assistant Coach of the Canadiens. He continues to serve in this post.

What, in that resume, screams that he's better than Clouston?

By comparison, here is Clouston's *NHL* coaching record: 116 games, 63 wins, 43 losses, 10 OTLs. He's also had a ton more coaching experience outside of the NHL.

By this logic why is any coach ever fired? You could say that Clouston wasn't any beter than the guy he replaced.

Edit: Clouston wouldn't be fired, he'd just not be extended. We have to fnid a coach.