What if Murray stays?

SeawaySensFan wrote:It's not just drafting, it's surrounding prospects with AHL stars to accelerate their development.

The only thing that really bothers me about Murray's tenure is letting Tortorella go to NYR when we had a vacancy and he was available. But, consider this, when the hiring process was going on, wasn't DeBoer whisked off to Barbados? Makes you wonder doesn't it? Or, at least, it should.

Urkie wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:It's not just drafting, it's surrounding prospects with AHL stars to accelerate their development.

The only thing that really bothers me about Murray's tenure is letting Tortorella go to NYR when we had a vacancy and he was available. But, consider this, when the hiring process was going on, wasn't DeBoer whisked off to Barbados? Makes you wonder doesn't it? Or, at least, it should.

So you think Melnyk is too involved? I've thought that at times too but Murray is ultimately the guy who makes the final decision and he's made so many bad ones that you can't just ignore them.

SeawaySensFan wrote:I'm pretty sure if the owner makes a decision, the GM doesn't have the final say. If that is indeed the case. Which it very well might be. Or not.

Urkie wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I'm pretty sure if the owner makes a decision, the GM doesn't have the final say. If that is indeed the case. Which it very well might be. Or not.

Well, I guess I can't really say that with certainty because I'd just be guessing but the GM is there for a reason. I suspect the owner has the ability to say he doesn't want to do something or not approve of a move but it's the GM that does all the leg work I would think.

Urkie wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:The question is: which faction are the coach-killers? Golden Boy Mike Fisher? Daniel Alfredsson? Chris Phillips? Jason Spezza? Whatever tool we have in net?

Then the next question is: in a cap world, how many GMs are willing to hand over some nice pieces for Fisher making 4.2 million? Maybe this summer when he's only got 2 more years left, but not before IMO. Chris Phillips? Well, we'll find out. Spezza? Might as well wait another couple of years and see how he does, then the number of years will be manageable for another team - not to mention he's one of our only skilled players.

I dunno, there are about...15 things that conspired against Murray. Gonchar blowing arse was one big one, Kuba sucking like a vacuum + getting hurt, Leclaire and his 10000000 injuries, Elliott crapping the bed, Phillips sucking HARD, Alfie playing through an injury - or losing it, Spezza playing harder, but not producing - then being injured, Michalek's broken knees, Kovalev SUCKING (he probably should have seen that coming), Regin not being able to hit the broad side of a barn, Foligno barely starting to get it going when it's too late.

What the Cuss? We were doomed, Scotty Bowman himself couldn't save this.

I don't know who the coach killers are specifically but I think the truth would hurt if we found out. I think every single one of us has a good idea of who is responsible for it.

I'll admit that Murray had some things go against him but at the same time, did he honestly think that a Volchenkov for Gonchar swap would make this team better? Did he honestly believe that Clouston was the man for the job? Did he honestly believe it was a good idea to let guys who fit in like Matt Cullen walk? I could go on but I'll save you the rant.

In my mind, Murray made his own bed and now he's sleeping in it.

SpezDispenser wrote:Lehner's not the right guy if he can't work his way through this and be the better for it.

SpezDispenser wrote:How many coaches do these guys 'not buy into' before the problem is on them? Phillips is about to get completely uprooted because they couldn't 'buy into' yet another coaches system. The same should apply to Fisher, but he's the golden child in the organization. I don't really want to say anything negative about Alfie right now, but he certainly should have Cussing well made SURE these idiots were buying in.

It's a clustercuss, you could bring in 80 coaches and these players wouldn't buy into their systems, but challenged their jobs next year and see how hard they play. Annoying as Dung.

rooneypoo wrote:Ken Hitchcock time, question mark?

Urkie wrote:It's funny that you mention Hitch because just yesterday I was thinking about whether he would be a good coach to lead the team through a rebuild.

Really, I'm not sure what to think about it but you wanna talk about a coach who holds players accountable? There's pretty much nobody else like him when it comes to that.

CockRoche wrote:As much as he is available and has the pedigree to win; Hitchcock is not the right coach for Ottawa for a couple reasons that have yet to be dealt with - and may never be either.

It all depends on whether or not the "coach killer" veteran core group actually get held accountable for the past and current happenings. Also, you can't have a coach like Hitchcock and let the players run the asylum with the backing of the GM and owner.

Hitchcock needs to have control and needs support from his superiors to be effective.

His approach wears on veterans and the Sens core can not handle that currently.

Hitchcock is the obviously the most qualified coach on the market; that shouldn't even need to be said. That doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't work the Ottawa we see right now. Many hard decisions have to be made before you even attempt to lure Hitchcock out of retirement. Hitchcock would laugh if the Melnyk called him without making major changes first.

Urkie wrote:

CockRoche wrote:As much as he is available and has the pedigree to win; Hitchcock is not the right coach for Ottawa for a couple reasons that have yet to be dealt with - and may never be either.

It all depends on whether or not the "coach killer" veteran core group actually get held accountable for the past and current happenings. Also, you can't have a coach like Hitchcock and let the players run the asylum with the backing of the GM and owner.

Hitchcock needs to have control and needs support from his superiors to be effective.

His approach wears on veterans and the Sens core can not handle that currently.

Hitchcock is the obviously the most qualified coach on the market; that shouldn't even need to be said. That doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't work the Ottawa we see right now. Many hard decisions have to be made before you even attempt to lure Hitchcock out of retirement. Hitchcock would laugh if the Melnyk called him without making major changes first.

I agree with 100%. Changes would need to be made first...

Number Twenty Nine wrote:My God how this guy GETS it ! Brilliant!

http://the6thsens.com/2011-articles/january/simpson58930.html

wprager wrote:For the record, I think that, while Simpson is certainly entitled to his opinion as a paying season ticket holder and a fan, he is *not* entitled to flaunt his opinion on company lettterhead, nor sign the letter "National Affairs Columnist" either. Bringing CTV/GlobeMedia and Globe and Mail into this debate is wrong -- if they are not behind his position then he could and should get in trouble for this. And what does his job as a columnist have to do with his opinion on Murray?

While he may *get it* he is still an a$$ as to how he presented himself. By the way, what if had a legit #1 goalie and still had Spezza -- there's two players who would make this a playoff team.

Number Twenty Nine wrote:My God how this guy GETS it ! Brilliant!

http://the6thsens.com/2011-articles/january/simpson58930.html