Ottawa Senators off-season talk

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Haha, ok, yet you use a 28 game stretch to say "Spezza was on pace for". Seriously, pick an arguement and stick to it because you use one thing for one guy and then the same thing against another.

Was he supposed to rack up the points from the IR?

First 30 some odd...

How about that cap going up 2 million potentially? Wow, that's a major boost. 58.7 million...

Yup, that helps a team like The Sens in a big, big way.

That's a Z.Michalek and...with at least one move less than you would have made Matt Cullen.

EDIT:Actually, that's hard to say, but it improves our room to move a bit.

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Haha, ok, yet you use a 28 game stretch to say "Spezza was on pace for". Seriously, pick an arguement and stick to it because you use one thing for one guy and then the same thing against another.

Was he supposed to rack up the points from the IR?

First 30 some odd...

But first 30 you said you didn't care about the points, because he was playing well, defensively. Some plyers you can have both, but maybe not with Spezza.

SpezDispenser wrote:How about that cap going up 2 million potentially? Wow, that's a major boost. 58.7 million...

Says who?

NHL attendance in 2010 dropped by 588,480 (source.

I seem to recall that most teams kept ticket prices the same or lowered them. TV revenue could change things a bit. The deal with NBC is impossible to predict. It's a huge reason for the NHL to root for two large US markets to be in the Finals. Actually, "huge" is not a strong enough word.

There's a also the revenues from the Winter Olympics -- or does the NHL simply get exposure and no money?

588K divided into 30 teams, time $50 average ticket price (really pulling numbers out of my *** now) is nearly $1M in lost revenues per team. For the cap to go up by $1M you'd need $60M in additional revenue. I doubt that people bought significantly more merchandise, given that we were still in a recession. So how likely is it that we got $60M in ad-revenue sharing with NBC?

I realize that there is a million and a half ways to cook the books, but that is not sustainable. They need a game-changer (new deal with NBC or ESPN, ne franchise, moved franchises, etc.)

It would also help Chicago and Pittsburgh among other top teams and hurt the bottom feeding teams that now have to spend $2M more to reach the floor.

wprager wrote:588K divided into 30 teams, time $50 average ticket price (really pulling numbers out of my *** now) is nearly $1M in lost revenues per team. For the cap to go up by $1M you'd need $60M in additional revenue. I doubt that people bought significantly more merchandise, given that we were still in a recession. So how likely is it that we got $60M in ad-revenue sharing with NBC?

I realize that there is a million and a half ways to cook the books, but that is not sustainable. They need a game-changer (new deal with NBC or ESPN, ne franchise, moved franchises, etc.)

What you also need to factor is the effect the canadian dollar had on the canadian teams. I have no idea, so now I'm talking out of my A$$ but the paper this morning said that the cap went up mostly due to the strength of the Canadian Dollar. If that's true, then figuring the average attendance of the 6 canadian teams in 2008/09 and the average of the Canadian dollar, and then comparing that to the average attendance in 2009/2010 and the average of the dollar in 2009/2010.

Attendance numbers from Espn ticket prices from Here and Canadian dollar from
here

Team	2009 Attendance	2009 Ticket Price	2010 Attendance	2010 Ticket Price
Montreal	872,193	64.26	872,193	72.18
Calgary	790,849	55.81	790,849	59.73
Toronto	791,795	76.15	789,681	117.49
Vancouver	763,830	62.05	771,210	62.05
Ottawa	776,947	48.82	749,861	52.77
Edmonton	690,399	54.17	690,339	59.71

Eyeballing the Canadian dollar (because I have to leave shortly) I'd put the 2008/09 average at about 0.83 and the 2009/10 average at about 0.94.

Someone can now work the numbers, but I scoff at the fact that the dollar had a significant effect. Looking at the numbers 3 teams had lower attendance in 2010 but all teams but one increased their ticket prices. I would say it's a combination of increased ticket prices and dollar, but is that enough to contribute to the 60 Million pie that is required?

Devo

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:How about that cap going up 2 million potentially? Wow, that's a major boost. 58.7 million...

Says who?

Everyone. Bettman, Dregor, it's 99% confirmed as far as I know.

Devo wrote:

wprager wrote:588K divided into 30 teams, time $50 average ticket price (really pulling numbers out of my *** now) is nearly $1M in lost revenues per team. For the cap to go up by $1M you'd need $60M in additional revenue. I doubt that people bought significantly more merchandise, given that we were still in a recession. So how likely is it that we got $60M in ad-revenue sharing with NBC?

I realize that there is a million and a half ways to cook the books, but that is not sustainable. They need a game-changer (new deal with NBC or ESPN, ne franchise, moved franchises, etc.)

What you also need to factor is the effect the canadian dollar had on the canadian teams. I have no idea, so now I'm talking out of my A$$ but the paper this morning said that the cap went up mostly due to the strength of the Canadian Dollar. If that's true, then figuring the average attendance of the 6 canadian teams in 2008/09 and the average of the Canadian dollar, and then comparing that to the average attendance in 2009/2010 and the average of the dollar in 2009/2010.

Attendance numbers from Espn ticket prices from Here and Canadian dollar from
here

Team	2009 Attendance	2009 Ticket Price	2010 Attendance	2010 Ticket Price
Montreal	872,193	64.26	872,193	72.18
Calgary	790,849	55.81	790,849	59.73
Toronto	791,795	76.15	789,681	117.49
Vancouver	763,830	62.05	771,210	62.05
Ottawa	776,947	48.82	749,861	52.77
Edmonton	690,399	54.17	690,339	59.71

Eyeballing the Canadian dollar (because I have to leave shortly) I'd put the 2008/09 average at about 0.83 and the 2009/10 average at about 0.94.

Someone can now work the numbers, but I scoff at the fact that the dollar had a significant effect. Looking at the numbers 3 teams had lower attendance in 2010 but all teams but one increased their ticket prices. I would say it's a combination of increased ticket prices and dollar, but is that enough to contribute to the 60 Million pie that is required?

Devo

You're right about the loonie. In my head I was thinking it just went from near par to 94 cents, but the fact is that during the 2008-09 season it went from the 80s to around 94, and during the 2009-10 season it went up to nearly 100 and then back to 94.

It's incredible that Montreal continues to increase ticket prices while going through a recession and sucking pretty much for most of the last decade (relative to their history, that is).

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:How about that cap going up 2 million potentially? Wow, that's a major boost. 58.7 million...

Says who?

Everyone. Bettman, Dregor, it's 99% confirmed as far as I know.

Dreger?

I'd read (quite recently, actually) that the cap was rumoured to be going up about $800K -- a far cry from $2M, but still up. We probably won't know until the ad revenue from NBC airing the SCF are known. Those are pure profit, too, since NBC produces it.

SpezDispenser wrote:How about that cap going up 2 million potentially? Wow, that's a major boost. 58.7 million...

It would be nice but I wonder if Melnyk is going to continue to spend to the cap if he continues to lose money.

Phoenix30 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:How about that cap going up 2 million potentially? Wow, that's a major boost. 58.7 million...

It would be nice but I wonder if Melnyk is going to continue to spend to the cap if he continues to lose money.

He doesn't care, he loves winning too much.

Melnyk makes his money in other places - like Capital Tickers for one.

i heard it in an article as quoted from bettman. 2Mill $ more, will go a long ways to re-sign cullen and land us someone for our D. very excited
doesn't anyone want to retain sutton as well?
i'd sure like to.
sutton and Z michaleck on one team... a lot less shots on goals.

^^^^^
this would probably see us trading kuba.