Ottawa Senators off-season talk

Carolina had Rod Brindamour as their 2nd line center when he was playing out of his mind. Just an FYI, so them winning wasn't a fluke.

stempniaksen wrote:Carolina had Rod Brindamour as their 2nd line center when he was playing out of his mind. Just an FYI, so them winning wasn't a fluke.

There you go. Not a super star, just a very nice player who was playing fantastic hockey.

N4L wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Carolina had Rod Brindamour as their 2nd line center when he was playing out of his mind. Just an FYI, so them winning wasn't a fluke.

There you go. Not a super star, just a very nice player who was playing fantastic hockey.

Rod Brindamour had 70 points in 78 games in the cup winning year, followed by 82 points in 78 games the next year. That's more than just 'nice player'.

People forget how good of a player he is and how dominant he could be. Fisher is nowhere near Brindamour and never will be.

He still isnt or wasnt a super star. Brindamour was a very nice player for a very long time. Not saying Fisher is anywhere near that but he is still a 2nd line center, 25 goals and 50 plus points is pretty much what u would want from a 2nd line guy.

Not 80+ points though. This guy was putting up all-star caliber numbers for a couple years near the end.

I know he was never a marquee guy, but he was vastly underrated for a very long time, and still is, as an offensive weapon.

stempniaksen wrote:Not 80+ points though. This guy was putting up all-star caliber numbers for a couple years near the end.

I know he was never a marquee guy, but he was vastly underrated for a very long time, and still is, as an offensive weapon.

About as complete a player as you will find. In Philly he was over shadowed by the legion of doom and Lindros. Fisher will never put up those kind of numbers.

N4L wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Not 80+ points though. This guy was putting up all-star caliber numbers for a couple years near the end.

I know he was never a marquee guy, but he was vastly underrated for a very long time, and still is, as an offensive weapon.

About as complete a player as you will find. In Philly he was over shadowed by the legion of doom and Lindros. Fisher will never put up those kind of numbers.

Not that I'm expecting any '2nd line center' to put up those numbers, but anyone we have on our 2nd line has to put up numbers more consistently than Fisher ever has to be successful.

COnsistant in what sense? He is always good for 20 goals and 45 plus points. His overall years are very consistant and the goals he does score are usually clutch goals.

Inconsistancy is a huge problem of Spezza's as well.

Consistent in the sense that Fisher will be on pace for 55 goals and 110 points in the first half, then dry up like the Nevada desert.

Haha, ok, yet you use a 28 game stretch to say "Spezza was on pace for". Seriously, pick an arguement and stick to it because you use one thing for one guy and then the same thing against another.

Point me to a stretch where Fisher ever went pointless in like 20 games. I'm not asking for Fisher to be a god-send, but a point every few games.

There's a difference between Spezza's inconsistencies (although they are there) and Fisher's.

stempniaksen wrote:Point me to a stretch where Fisher ever went pointless in like 20 games. I'm not asking for Fisher to be a god-send, but a point every few games.

There's a difference between Spezza's inconsistencies (although they are there) and Fisher's.

Im not disagreeing, Im just saying you cant say use one arguement to support one guy then use the same arguement to trash another.

Spezza is inconsistant in his efforts, which IMO is worse then being inconsistant on the score sheet.

N4L wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Point me to a stretch where Fisher ever went pointless in like 20 games. I'm not asking for Fisher to be a god-send, but a point every few games.

There's a difference between Spezza's inconsistencies (although they are there) and Fisher's.

Im not disagreeing, Im just saying you cant say use one arguement to support one guy then use the same arguement to trash another.

Spezza is inconsistant in his efforts, which IMO is worse then being inconsistant on the score sheet.

We've had our fair share of Spezza talk. I think it comes down to him not knowing how to play without the puck. I know it sounds ridiculous because he's at the highest level, but growing up coaches let him do his thing because he could fill the net. Once he got to the NHL he's only ever had Murray, Paddock and Hartsburg and none of the guys gives the impression that they preached a defence first game. I think that's why I'm excited to see what Spezza can do under Clouston, and no matter what some people say, I haven't been dissapointed thus far.

Anyways, back on topic.

Fisher is a great player who always gives his all, no doubt about it. But fair or not this guy id being paid to be an offensive leader on this team and he just isn't. The guy is a lot of things, and can be a barn burner at the best of times, but just isn't consistent enough offensively to be counted on. In those respects he's been a huge dissapointement.

stempniaksen wrote:

N4L wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Point me to a stretch where Fisher ever went pointless in like 20 games. I'm not asking for Fisher to be a god-send, but a point every few games.

There's a difference between Spezza's inconsistencies (although they are there) and Fisher's.

Im not disagreeing, Im just saying you cant say use one arguement to support one guy then use the same arguement to trash another.

Spezza is inconsistant in his efforts, which IMO is worse then being inconsistant on the score sheet.

We've had our fair share of Spezza talk. I think it comes down to him not knowing how to play without the puck. I know it sounds ridiculous because he's at the highest level, but growing up coaches let him do his thing because he could fill the net. Once he got to the NHL he's only ever had Murray, Paddock and Hartsburg and none of the guys gives the impression that they preached a defence first game. I think that's why I'm excited to see what Spezza can do under Clouston, and no matter what some people say, I haven't been dissapointed thus far.

Anyways, back on topic.

Fisher is a great player who always gives his all, no doubt about it. But fair or not this guy id being paid to be an offensive leader on this team and he just isn't. The guy is a lot of things, and can be a barn burner at the best of times, but just isn't consistent enough offensively to be counted on. In those respects he's been a huge dissapointement.

Doesnt sound stupid, that's exactly what it is. It leads back to him being babied his entire career thus far, there were never any consiquences, just pats on the back and he doesnt have the character to look in the mirror like some others guys do. He's obviously improved over the past 7 years but not to the point where he isnt still a huge question mark.

As for Fisher, his seasons are all the same, 20 goals 45 plus points, to me that is consistant. He does score at very important times in games and I think that gets over looked a lot. He had 3 OT winners this year alone and I can think of a lot of other games where Fisher was right there when it matter, that comes down to the extra effort he puts in over other guys. Im not saying the guy is an ideal 2nd line center, Im saying he is a legit 2nd line center. Mix him in with Spezza and those two simply wont be able to do the job as the 1 and 2 guys, you dont get enough from either guy to really make it a solid 1, 2 punch.

N4L wrote:Haha, ok, yet you use a 28 game stretch to say "Spezza was on pace for". Seriously, pick an arguement and stick to it because you use one thing for one guy and then the same thing against another.

Was he supposed to rack up the points from the IR?

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Haha, ok, yet you use a 28 game stretch to say "Spezza was on pace for". Seriously, pick an arguement and stick to it because you use one thing for one guy and then the same thing against another.

Was he supposed to rack up the points from the IR?

First 30 some odd...

How about that cap going up 2 million potentially? Wow, that's a major boost. 58.7 million...

Yup, that helps a team like The Sens in a big, big way.