Cullen or Spezza?

PKC wrote:

111519 wrote:would Spezza waive his NTC to go to Edmonton?

You would think with MPS and Hall there, he may

His wife might have something to say about living in edmonton though...

His NTC doesn't kick in until this summer. We have a free pass to trade the guy before we get saddled with the next 5 years.

Big, big decision to be made on Spezza before that NTC kicks in July 1st, that's for sure. One of Chara/Redden-esque proportions, that determines the fate of the franchise for the next 5 years.

Let's hope we get it right this time around.

rooneypoo wrote:

PKC wrote:

111519 wrote:would Spezza waive his NTC to go to Edmonton?

You would think with MPS and Hall there, he may

His wife might have something to say about living in edmonton though...

His NTC doesn't kick in until this summer. We have a free pass to trade the guy before we get saddled with the next 5 years.

Big, big decision to be made on Spezza before that NTC kicks in July 1st, that's for sure. One of Chara/Redden-esque proportions, that determines the fate of the franchise for the next 5 years.

Let's hope we get it right this time around.

I feel bad for Bryan Murray. What a Dung show this guy inherited.

so if you are BM do you trade Spezza and Kuba to Edmonton for Penner Cogliano and Souray or do you pass?

111519 wrote:so if you are BM do you trade Spezza and Kuba to Edmonton for Penner Cogliano and Souray or do you pass?

Why trade Kuba? He's the closest thing we have to a #1 defenseman. And that Edmonton package is underwhelming to say the least. Souray is an albatross. Penner seems to have overachieved this year and Cogliano is the worst of all of their prospects.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=15660

with what, the 17th pick overall the ottawa senators pick who?

Nick Bjugstad

111519 wrote:so if you are BM do you trade Spezza and Kuba to Edmonton for Penner Cogliano and Souray or do you pass?

There's gotta be a better deal than that. If we have to take Souray, then it's gotta be Gagner + Eberle coming back.

111519 wrote:http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=15660

with what, the 17th pick overall the ottawa senators pick who?

Nick Bjugstad

I don't know enough on this to comment. I trust asq2 entirely for this stuff. Oh, and BM: he'll get the BPA, whoever it is, whether we stand still or have to move up or down to do it.

LOL. Did Spezza even play for half of those games during that streak?

Haha! Nope. The streak was from Jan. 12 to Feb. 6. Spezza was out with injury from Dec. 14 to Jan. 23 -- that is, he came back when we were already 5 games into the streak.

I knew it... thanks for digging that up

M_Christopher wrote:Well here's some good news for N4L,

Bob Mackenize thinks Spezza is on the outs, because of exactly what everyones problem with him this series was - he was around in a winning-offensive role.

Its one of the videos on the TSN.ca right now. "Close but no cigar"

Huge praise from Panger and MacT though

Wow, really, that's really, really serious if he said that. Although, I'm not 100% sure what that mean, he wasn't around in a winning-offensive role?

if cullen was the same age.. id take him

DirtyDave wrote:if cullen was the same age.. id take him

If Cullen was the same age, we wouldn't have even landed him in a trade in the first place.

Dash wrote:I'd still rather give an up and comer a chance., even if it is rushing them.

Look at Colorado, a team that was said to go nowhere this year but their rookies have been pleasant surprises to say the least. Duchene, O'Reilly, et al.

Give the kids a chance and they will surprise. The least they do is gain experience.

The team may struggle, but it will benefit them in the long run by saving money.

Regin-Spezza-Michalek
Kovalev-Fisher-Alfredsson
Foligno-Smith-Winchester
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil

Phillips-Karlsson
Campoli-Gryba
Wiercioch-Carkner

Leclaire
Elliott

thought I would remind you guys about our latest free agent acquisition, who looked like he was going to fit in quite nicely in the top-6.

One player who looked great last night was Campoli. He and Cowen could very well be a tandem next year. I'm not sure where the Gryba insertion comes from ^^ and that seems unlikely for next season

Campoli seemed unbelievably confident for an inexperienced guy.
He probably re-signs for 1-ish.

111519 wrote:

N4L wrote:The best hockey The Sens play is without Spezza as well. I agree Cullen isnt going to get you there, but it's not like Spezza picked this team up and dragged them into the playoffs.

The Sens are a playoff team with or without Spezza.

the sens would not have made the playoffs this year without Spezzas contribution-the ten game win streak that got us in was due in a large part to spezzas play, dont fool yourself.

I actually think they would have, I think The Sens have a solid team front to back and very well rounded.

Look, if I thought I was talking out of my Donkey about Spezza right now I woudl admit it like I admited he's worth more then something I blabbed on about in a fit of blog rage. If Bobby Mac is saying it then Im not the only one totally disgusted with his performance.

If he is on the outs, there is no waiting this time around, it has to get done.

It's not even a debatable argument anymore IMO. A rookie who played on his line was better than him. It's seriously disgusting.

Gohan wrote:

Dash wrote:I'd still rather give an up and comer a chance., even if it is rushing them.

Look at Colorado, a team that was said to go nowhere this year but their rookies have been pleasant surprises to say the least. Duchene, O'Reilly, et al.

Give the kids a chance and they will surprise. The least they do is gain experience.

The team may struggle, but it will benefit them in the long run by saving money.

Regin-Spezza-Michalek
Kovalev-Fisher-Alfredsson
Foligno-Smith-Winchester
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil

Phillips-Karlsson
Campoli-Gryba
Wiercioch-Carkner

Leclaire
Elliott

thought I would remind you guys about our latest free agent acquisition, who looked like he was going to fit in quite nicely in the top-6.

One player who looked great last night was Campoli. He and Cowen could very well be a tandem next year. I'm not sure where the Gryba insertion comes from ^^ and that seems unlikely for next season

From what Murray said in an interview to how he played in Bingo, if A Train doesnt get resigned, Gryba will make a serious push for that psot next to Phillips.

marakh wrote:It's not even a debatable argument anymore IMO. A rookie who played on his line was better than him. It's seriously disgusting.

It is, I dont see how people can keep backing this guy? If Spezza played ONE game that was worth his 7 million dollar salary in these playoffs, we are either going to Pitts for game 7 or the series is over and The Sens are moving on. Spezza isnt holding this team back, but he will not help them move forward.

The people who are trashing Spezza in this thread are also the people that seem to want a large return.

I know that everyone loves picks and prospects, but as long as Alfie is still around this team will not rebuild, therefore Spezza will not be dealt for anything short of a Heatley/Hossa type deal. This team doesn't need more depth pieces like Cogliano or Penner. What they need is top flite talent wether on the offensive or defensive side of the puck.

Whether we want Spezza gone or not it doesn't matter. Other GM's around the league won't pay what it will take to pry him out of Ottawa.