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Cullen or Spezza?

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136Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:18 pm

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A lot of the offers I have seen around here are clear cut favourites for Ottawa and outright fantasy.

For the negative comments and all out hate Spezza receives from a lot of the fans around here he sure has a lot of value according to these offers. Hard to imagine someone who "lacks heart" is "selfish" is a "turnover king" and etc could have so much value elsewhere with that amazing testimonial.

137Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:45 pm

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If you are going to deal Spezza to Columbus and want Filitov and the 4th overall pick you'll probably need to eat a contract like Husselius and throw in a good prospect. I still feel like Edmonton/Atlanta are the likely landing spots should Spezza get moved. Return would have to include similar salary coming back due to Edmonton's cap and Atlanta's budget.

138Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:56 pm

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Ya, who knows. Whether he gets traded or he doesnt, I dont think either woud be a huge shock. It basically all depends on Murray's evaluation of Spezza.

139Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:34 pm

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N4L wrote:Ya, who knows. Whether he gets traded or he doesnt, I dont think either woud be a huge shock. It basically all depends on Murray's evaluation of Spezza.

By the sound of the latest interview, I have a hard time seeing Spezza dealt.

140Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:45 pm

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marakh wrote:
N4L wrote:Ya, who knows. Whether he gets traded or he doesnt, I dont think either woud be a huge shock. It basically all depends on Murray's evaluation of Spezza.

By the sound of the latest interview, I have a hard time seeing Spezza dealt.

Im a little confused by it, it's not like he gave Spezza a ton of praise, but it didnt sound like they have given up either. I trust in Murray.

141Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:49 pm

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Spezza isin't going anywhere

Listen to Melnyk, Murray, and Clouston's comments

It aint happening.

142Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:38 pm

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On locker cleanout day, when someone wondered if he’s getting tired of being the lightning rod for criticism of this team, Spezza did not shake off the talk as he has in the past.

“Yeah, a little bit,” he said. “But there’s not much you can do, and there’s not much to really get into.

“It’s definitely trying at times.”

That stated, he’s not likely to be demanding a trade like his former winger.

“I’ve persevered my whole career,” Spezza said. “I’ll always continue to do the same.”

Whether it had anything to do with his back problems, Spezza had a horrible start to the season. After returning in late January from a knee injury that sidelined him for six weeks, he was back to his point-producing self. He finished second in team scoring despite missing 22 games.

Seven playoff points

“I found the break helped me mentally, after having a bad start, maybe helped me get in a better frame of mind and regroup for the second half of the year,” said Spezza. “It definitely helped me in that sense.”

Spezza had a goal and six assists in the six-game series with the Penguins. His most costly turnover was in Game 4 at the Pittsburgh blue line and it led directly to a Sidney Crosby goal. It was not the only mistake in the 7-4 loss, just the one remembered and harped on most.

“It’s tough whenever you lose, you’re never happy,” said Spezza, who is much more of a team player than Heatley or Yashin ever was. “I would have liked to have scored a couple more goals. I had a lot of chances and thought I created a lot. We were real close and I wish I could have put the puck in the net a couple of more times. It’s frustrating when you lose out in the first round, for sure.”

If he is asked, Spezza will decline the opportunity to represent Canada at the world championship in Germany because his wife is expecting their first baby.

So the next hockey he plays will be in October. For the Senators.

While coach Cory Clouston said his No. 1 centre was “overall, pretty good” this season, GM Bryan Murray is unlikely to make another off-season blockbuster.

“He is what he is,” said Murray. “You accept it. We hope that as he continues to play this game he’ll do little things a little different and better, but he’s a good player. And you don’t go find that type of player very often in the NHL.”

Spezza is comfortable in the go-to role. The one that comes with credit and blame.

“Wherever I play and whenever I play, I want to be the guy on the ice,” he said. “Whether it’s summer hockey or the NHL, you want to be the guy that’s looked upon and has the puck. I’m a guy that wants to be that guy.”

And he still wants to be that guy in Ottawa. Despite what people say.

143Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:40 pm

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I would still love to know everyone's fix if we do trade Spezza. We've barely got any offense anymore. Imagine with him gone? It would be sad sad 6-2 games against for the other team. It would really be hard on everyone to take. When will we ever draft a no. 1 center again that could produce? It's very difficult to find. Unless you have balanced scoring throughout, there's just no way around it, you have to keep him.

144Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:45 pm

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He always says the right things, he just has to do it.

The guy has tallent that about 95% of the league doesnt have and he talks a great game, he has to show up when it matters. That what will keep him from reaching that elite level. He's only holding himself back right now.

Again, great hearing he wants to be the guy, great to know that he has become more of a team player, great to see some progress, but at some point he has to put it all together. Hopefully it's next year.

145Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:50 pm

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That's what was dissapointing in the playoffs this season. Spezza had seemed to turn a corner this season with finally playing both sides of the puck. It seemed really promising. Then the playoffs started and "old Spezza" reared his ugly head. I have faith in him though, I think this was just another learning curve for him and something that will make him better next season. I did see a lot of good changes in his game in the regular season and I do believe he can turn it around completely very soon. He'll be watching lots of tape this summer while at home awaiting his first born. I believe he will come back next season even hungrier and without a black cloud of doubt hanging over his head, wondering when he'll be shipped out to Altanta or something. He should be a lot more at ease with himself and the fans and the team. We shall see how it plays out but I think he has it in him.

146Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:52 pm

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This is it though, if he doesn't do it we've got him for the next 6 years. I don't want to have to keep repeating this over and over again every summer, hoping for something good to come out of him in the following post season. He needs to put it all together now, it is time.

147Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:06 pm

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The decision isint the teams anymore after July 1st.

Kinda scary to think he doesnt have to play well to protect himself from a trade after that.

148Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:08 pm

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111519 wrote:The decision isint the teams anymore after July 1st.

Kinda scary to think he doesnt have to play well to protect himself from a trade after that.

Well ya, that's basically what everyone has been saying. If he didnt have a NTC people would say "wait a bit longer". The choice will be made with Spezza in the next 2 months and by the way things are sounding and his actual value around the league, he's staying.

149Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:09 pm

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I don't understand how he doesn't know why he's being criticized. I understand that he's a team first guy, or so he says, but he didn't compete hard enough this playoffs, I think even the most hard Spezza supporters can admit to that.

If he doesn't want to be criticized, then make a couple of tweaks to the game. It's not hard, be stronger on the puck, make sure that if you give the puck up, you get it back. Easy.

Just don't sit there like you don't get why people are pissed. You either get it now, or you'll never get it. However, I think with Clouston around, he'll be a lot closer to finally getting it than with John 'I have no idea what I'm doing' Paddock and Craig "I literally am the worst NHL coach in history" Hartsburg calling the shots.

150Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:33 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:I don't understand how he doesn't know why he's being criticized. I understand that he's a team first guy, or so he says, but he didn't compete hard enough this playoffs, I think even the most hard Spezza supporters can admit to that.

If he doesn't want to be criticized, then make a couple of tweaks to the game. It's not hard, be stronger on the puck, make sure that if you give the puck up, you get it back. Easy.

Just don't sit there like you don't get why people are pissed. You either get it now, or you'll never get it. However, I think with Clouston around, he'll be a lot closer to finally getting it than with John 'I have no idea what I'm doing' Paddock and Craig "I literally am the worst NHL coach in history" Hartsburg calling the shots.

I don't think Spezza is the sharpest knife in the drawer. It could be argued he's a bit of a slow learner when it comes to hockey. Considering that's what he does best I imagine he's that much slower with everything else unrelated to hockey.

151Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:42 pm

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Ottawa is lacking star power up front.
Any team trading for Spezza will not offer star power back.
Ottawa is not rebuilding, so will expect star power.

That is why nothing will happen and we will go into next season with Jason Spezza pencilled in as our first line center. Obviously there's more, but that's the simplest way of breaking it down.

152Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:45 pm

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I want Iginla

153Cullen or Spezza? - Page 10 Empty Re: Cullen or Spezza? Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:47 pm

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stempniaksen wrote:Ottawa is lacking star power up front.
Any team trading for Spezza will not offer star power back.
Ottawa is not rebuilding, so will expect star power.

That is why nothing will happen and we will go into next season with Jason Spezza pencilled in as our first line center. Obviously there's more, but that's the simplest way of breaking it down.

Depends, the blueline is defently being rebuilt considering 3 rookies plus Lee might see time on that blueline next year for 5 plus game stretches. The goaltending, well if that might be more fixing something that was hanging on some hinges.

Up front, I dont think Spezza helps this team as much as others do, but he doesnt hurt it, just that turnover in the playoffs is almost unforgivable, that stuff has to stop. There is high risk, then there is stupidity. Having Spezza in the regular season next year, IMO, they run away with division and we see 100 pt year from Ottawa.

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