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GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010

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rooneypoo


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marakh wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
Dash wrote:N4L Leftie

Neely's whole point is that scoring isn't everything, and that people who think Spezza is "elite" and "essential to this team" spend too much time reading stats and not enough time watching games.

Try again. Smile

I challenge you to find someone who thinks Spezza is elite in here.

So, no elite, not essential to the team, not earning his $7 mil / yr -- but lord help us if we find ourselves without him? Can you really not see the problem here that your own challenge points to?

I challenge you to find one good reason to keep defending a guy who makes that kinda cash, plays that kinda game, and yet isn't elite or essential to the team.

rooneypoo


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TeamRenzo wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
Dash wrote:N4L GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 233319

Neely's whole point is that scoring isn't everything, and that people who think Spezza is "elite" and "essential to this team" spend too much time reading stats and not enough time watching games.

Try again. GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 54934

Really? So why is he fast to point out that Kelly has more goals than Spezza?

He very rarely points out the good things Spezza does in a game, but jumps all over his mistakes. He has personal issues with Spezza I am sure of it.

Try again GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 54934

Spezza had a good game tonight, for sure. The point is, for $7 mil, we need to see that kind of effort, night in and night out. The legitimate concern going forward is which Spezza are we going to have going forward for the next 5 years, taking up 1/8th of our cap space -- the one who produces and is effective, or the one who does neither?

This is not about hate. This is about what's best for the team going forward. Spezza turns 27 years old this year. How long do we have to wait around for him to step into an Alfie-esque role?

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PKC wrote:
wprager wrote:Karlsson has 11 points; Hedman has 14. The race is on.

Tyler Myers already finished the race...

He's the rookie of the year imo. He's doing it all in Buffalo.

sens4win

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hemlock wrote:
PKC wrote:
wprager wrote:Karlsson has 11 points; Hedman has 14. The race is on.

Tyler Myers already finished the race...

He's the rookie of the year imo. He's doing it all in Buffalo.
what about tavares ?

wprager

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PKC wrote:
wprager wrote:Karlsson has 11 points; Hedman has 14. The race is on.

Tyler Myers already finished the race...

Tyler Myers? Never heard of him. Did he play for Frolunda?


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PKC wrote:
marakh wrote:It begins

https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=206974979006

GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 62136

Amazing. Looks like the Habs will be fighting it out again with the Bruins this post-season.....for first overall. HAHHAA

The difference being it would be way less shameful for the Bruins (assuming it's the Leafs pick that's first overall and not theirs.)

I'm starting to really believe we can win this division. What a difference two weeks and a team oriented commitment makes.

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sens4win wrote:
wprager wrote:
sens4win wrote:if we loose i blame all the posters in this thread and getting over confident Dammit!

Ahem, and who called 4-2 Ottawa?

jeez you are really out to get me today ? i meant the posters at the beginning of the thread like the nine one not us the posters who post stuff in this thread. Ya i thought we were done when they power play was 2 for 2 and they were about to go to on power play. Im not angry just trying to prove my point here.

Ah, the posters and not the posters who posted the posters, like me.

Got it.

Confused!


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sens4win wrote:
hemlock wrote:
PKC wrote:
wprager wrote:Karlsson has 11 points; Hedman has 14. The race is on.

Tyler Myers already finished the race...

He's the rookie of the year imo. He's doing it all in Buffalo.
what about tavares ?

Tavares isn't close to Myers right now in the Calder race. He's only got two more points than Myers has, and Myers has been a rock on the defensive side of things (granted he's playing in front of Miller).

I would argue that Duchene has moved in front of Tavares at this point. But Myers is easily in the lead.

sens4win

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has anyone realized that a lot of teams don't have assigned captains naming 2 are vancouver and toronto i only watch sens games but i realized they dont seem to have one is that weird?

rooneypoo

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hemlock wrote:
TeamRenzo wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
Dash wrote:N4L GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 233319

Neely's whole point is that scoring isn't everything, and that people who think Spezza is "elite" and "essential to this team" spend too much time reading stats and not enough time watching games.

Try again. GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 54934

Really? So why is he fast to point out that Kelly has more goals than Spezza?

He very rarely points out the good things Spezza does in a game, but jumps all over his mistakes. He has personal issues with Spezza I am sure of it.

Try again GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 54934

There's some truth to it. I pointed out to him the other day during a game, that he had Spezza under a microscope like noone else. Sure, Spezza is the highest paid player, but the amount of scrutiny he receives from N4L is way over the top. And N4L practically agreed.

No matter what though, despite winning a few converts over like the good Dr., he will never convince most people here that Spezza is as bad as he says he is, because, like you said, it almost seems personal.

The point is not that Spezza is a bad player. It's that he's not a $7 mil, highest-paid-player-on-your-team, contributing-in-all-situations, heir-to-Alfie kind of guy. There's a huge difference between not being bad and being great for your team -- therein lies the dilemma with Spezza.

Don't let 4 decent games and a 6-game goalscoring streak wipe out from your memories the years and years of bad turnovers and lazy, half-assed, poor-hearted play. Keep it all in mind.

Spezza has until this June to prove his worth to the Sens organization. Ball's in his court.

wprager

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Just make it certain, I am not saying Karlsson for the Calder. I just want him to finish ahead of Hedman.

By the way, does anyone think that Karlsson has a shot at making the Olympic squad? Or maybe I should say, would he have a shot at playing at that level? I think the ship has sailed. I look at the invite list and, who the heck is Douglas Murray -- he's on Sweden's 2010 Olympic Roster. Johnny Oduya? Tallinder? Really? He could probably do as well as those guys at this point.


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Phoenix30

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Whats up with all the injuries this year. Gotta feel bad for Folingo not only on the ice but in the pocket book. I wonder how this affects his value come contract talk time.

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rooneypoo wrote:
hemlock wrote:
TeamRenzo wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
Dash wrote:N4L GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 233319

Neely's whole point is that scoring isn't everything, and that people who think Spezza is "elite" and "essential to this team" spend too much time reading stats and not enough time watching games.

Try again. GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 54934

Really? So why is he fast to point out that Kelly has more goals than Spezza?

He very rarely points out the good things Spezza does in a game, but jumps all over his mistakes. He has personal issues with Spezza I am sure of it.

Try again GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 2:00pm ET - Sat. Jan. 30. 2010 - Page 19 54934

There's some truth to it. I pointed out to him the other day during a game, that he had Spezza under a microscope like noone else. Sure, Spezza is the highest paid player, but the amount of scrutiny he receives from N4L is way over the top. And N4L practically agreed.

No matter what though, despite winning a few converts over like the good Dr., he will never convince most people here that Spezza is as bad as he says he is, because, like you said, it almost seems personal.

The point is not that Spezza is a bad player. It's that he's not a $7 mil, highest-paid-player-on-your-team, contributing-in-all-situations, heir-to-Alfie kind of guy. There's a huge difference between not being bad and being great for your team -- therein lies the dilemma with Spezza.

Don't let 4 decent games and a 6-game goalscoring streak wipe out from your memories the years and years of bad turnovers and lazy, half-assed, poor-hearted play. Keep it all in mind.

Spezza has until this June to prove his worth to the Sens organization. Ball's in his court.

I agree with this, but like I said, N4L rarely (he does do it, I'm not suggesting otherwise) acknowledges the good things Spezza does. It's either he gives him props saying something like "well he's supposed to do that as the team's highest paid player" or it's the polar opposite, which is much more common. There is no in between. It's almost as if he actively looks for the smallest thing he can point out to us all. That's what I mean by he'll never convince people here to hate Spezza as much as he does. It looks, from the outside, like a personal vendetta against Spezza.

No one is suggesting he's a bad player, but 90% of the time, you'd sure think so by N4L's comments. It's that over the top.

When was Spezza ever annointed the heir to Alfie? When was he expected to play in all situations? Yes, he's the highest paid player, but that's not his fault. Why can we not look at Murray for not recognizing these flaws before handing him the keys to the castle? Of course he's going to accept a $50 million contract, who wouldn't?

Spezza is what he is, an overpaid player. We can all agree on that I think. But N4L's expectations of him are perhaps unrealistic. Thomas Vanek is the highest paid Sabre and he's not leading the team in points, doesn't provide massive doses of heart, doesn't fight etc. He's not criticized for this, because he's a scorer, plain and simple. Spezza doesn't have the luxury of this. When he's scoring, people whine about his defence, and when he's trying defensively and his offence suffers, he's crapped on for that too. I'll also point out that this criticism goes past before the $7 per year contract started. I distinctly remember the criticisms of his game going back to the year previous to that, at least, when he was a $4 million player. So the whole $7 million thing doesn't hold as much weight.

The general expectations of Spezza are unattainable imo.

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Phoenix30 wrote:Whats up with all the injuries this year. Gotta feel bad for Folingo not only on the ice but in the pocket book. I wonder how this affects his value come contract talk time.

Negatively, I hope.

Sorry Nick, but I don't want to have to pay you $2 million +, at least not yet.

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wprager wrote:Just make it certain, I am not saying Karlsson for the Calder. I just want him to finish ahead of Hedman.

By the way, does anyone think that Karlsson has a shot at making the Olympic squad? Or maybe I should say, would he have a shot at playing at that level? I think the ship has sailed. I look at the invite list and, who the heck is Douglas Murray -- he's on Sweden's 2010 Olympic Roster. Johnny Oduya? Tallinder? Really? He could probably do as well as those guys at this point.

Murray is a solid shutdown guy, someone who can play big minutes against guys like Nash, Getzlaf, Ovechkin etc

Oduya is underrated as well. He's got a nice all around game.

Tallinder - no argument there, he's not that great. Makes me sort of wonder what the SEL's D-men look like. They don't have a guy to replace Tallinder? Hell, I'd bring one of Karlsson or Hedman just for the experience, for next time.

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rooneypoo wrote:
marakh wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
Dash wrote:N4L Leftie

Neely's whole point is that scoring isn't everything, and that people who think Spezza is "elite" and "essential to this team" spend too much time reading stats and not enough time watching games.

Try again. Smile

I challenge you to find someone who thinks Spezza is elite in here.

So, no elite, not essential to the team, not earning his $7 mil / yr -- but lord help us if we find ourselves without him? Can you really not see the problem here that your own challenge points to?

I challenge you to find one good reason to keep defending a guy who makes that kinda cash, plays that kinda game, and yet isn't elite or essential to the team.

AS I said, I'm all for trading Spezza but there is no solution. Problems are easy to find, and I think everybody here is conscious of that cap, but it's another thing to fix it.

It's nice to point out problems but when there is no solution, which my argument somewhere in this board pointed out, there's no point in regurgitating the same thing on every GDT. Spezza fucks this, Spezza fucks that.

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marakh wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
marakh wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
Dash wrote:N4L Leftie

Neely's whole point is that scoring isn't everything, and that people who think Spezza is "elite" and "essential to this team" spend too much time reading stats and not enough time watching games.

Try again. Smile

I challenge you to find someone who thinks Spezza is elite in here.

So, no elite, not essential to the team, not earning his $7 mil / yr -- but lord help us if we find ourselves without him? Can you really not see the problem here that your own challenge points to?

I challenge you to find one good reason to keep defending a guy who makes that kinda cash, plays that kinda game, and yet isn't elite or essential to the team.

AS I said, I'm all for trading Spezza but there is no solution. Problems are easy to find, and I think everybody here is conscious of that cap, but it's another thing to fix it.

It's nice to point out problems but when there is no solution, which my argument somewhere in this board pointed out, there's no point in regurgitating the same thing on every GDT. Spezza fucks this, Spezza fucks that.

Don't make me break out the Irish Spring!

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asq2 wrote:
sens4win wrote:
hemlock wrote:
PKC wrote:
wprager wrote:Karlsson has 11 points; Hedman has 14. The race is on.

Tyler Myers already finished the race...

He's the rookie of the year imo. He's doing it all in Buffalo.
what about tavares ?

Tavares isn't close to Myers right now in the Calder race. He's only got two more points than Myers has, and Myers has been a rock on the defensive side of things (granted he's playing in front of Miller).

I would argue that Duchene has moved in front of Tavares at this point. But Myers is easily in the lead.

Let's just hope the voters see it that way. Defencemen often get overlooked for the Calder.

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