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hemlock wrote:Too much. If we are giving up Spezza (remember Edmonton is high on him, and desperate for a star), Volchenkov and Lee I need more. Seriously.

Eberle
Cogliano
1st
AND
Gilbert

I don't agree with you here. Keep in mind Spezza's value is really low right now because of his slow start. Volchenkov is an UFA and Lee has some baggage.

I don't think that would get you as much as he has in the orignial deal and I don't think they would give us a pick that would get us Taylor Hall potentially either.

Urkie wrote:

hemlock wrote:Too much. If we are giving up Spezza (remember Edmonton is high on him, and desperate for a star), Volchenkov and Lee I need more. Seriously.

Eberle
Cogliano
1st
AND
Gilbert

I don't agree with you here. Keep in mind Spezza's value is really low right now because of his slow start. Volchenkov is an UFA and Lee has some baggage.

I don't think that would get you as much as he has in the orignial deal and I don't think they would give us a pick that would get us Taylor Hall potentially either.

Even if it was just Gilbert and not the 1st ,I feel that would still would be a great deal.Gilbert would be a much need help at the back end with a great contrect.And Jorden Eberle (Mr soft hands him self )Hell i will go on record right now and say he will make Rookie of the year next year.Who wouldn't want him?

cain69 wrote:Even if it was just Gilbert and not the 1st ,I feel that would still would be a great deal.Gilbert would be a much need help at the back end with a great contrect.And Jorden Eberle (Mr soft hands him self )Hell i will go on record right now and say he will make Rookie of the year next year.Who wouldn't want him?

I'm not saying I don't want Eberle because I do but I doubt they'd trade him at this point. Also, why would they trade their 1st rounder when they could keep it and draft one of the great players in the top 5 of this draft. I like the deal because it would be great for the Sens but the Oilers would not even consider it I don't think.

Urkie wrote:

cain69 wrote:Even if it was just Gilbert and not the 1st ,I feel that would still would be a great deal.Gilbert would be a much need help at the back end with a great contrect.And Jorden Eberle (Mr soft hands him self )Hell i will go on record right now and say he will make Rookie of the year next year.Who wouldn't want him?

I'm not saying I don't want Eberle because I do but I doubt they'd trade him at this point. Also, why would they trade their 1st rounder when they could keep it and draft one of the great players in the top 5 of this draft. I like the deal because it would be great for the Sens but the Oilers would not even consider it I don't think.

I read something today that the Oilers would concider moving Eberle if that could get them the 1st rd pick.Now i don't know if that is true, but if they are really in need of help up front.Why not look at making a pitch for Speeza.He would fit a hell of alot better then Heatley.And we are in need of a young stud that has a nice set of soft hands and can put the lot of pucks in the net.

Urkie wrote:

hemlock wrote:Too much. If we are giving up Spezza (remember Edmonton is high on him, and desperate for a star), Volchenkov and Lee I need more. Seriously.

Eberle
Cogliano
1st
AND
Gilbert

I don't agree with you here. Keep in mind Spezza's value is really low right now because of his slow start. Volchenkov is an UFA and Lee has some baggage.

I don't think that would get you as much as he has in the orignial deal and I don't think they would give us a pick that would get us Taylor Hall potentially either.

Grabbing Spezza and Volchie could make them improve enough to not be a realistic #1 pick. I realize that Spezza's value is low, but I think it's offset by the fact that Edmonton can't seem to land a star. Yes it may be a bit much, but I am certainly not giving this package away.

The only way I would deal away a package with some good assets like this is if we are getting a star, not potentially getting one. I think Murray would get more for these assets individually. But we all know Murray is too chicken to make a deal like this. I don't anticipate this season will be any different.

I'm not convinced we'll move Spezza, even if it's to the team's detriment. Melnyk and the Murrays are not looking for a big re-build. If Spezza gets moved, it's going to be for someone similarly entrenched in the NHL.

And since forward is our biggest need organizationally (poor recent goaltending disregarded), it'd be a forward for forward swap. At that point, I'm not sure which forward you're going to get that'd be a major upgrade on Spezza, by giving Spezza.

So we might be better off keeping him. I want to see if he can return to his form of the first 12 games. Maybe a change of scenario deal could work, but I don't see any other forwards struggling that have as much potential as Spezza does.

asq2 wrote:I'm not convinced we'll move Spezza, even if it's to the team's detriment. Melnyk and the Murrays are not looking for a big re-build. If Spezza gets moved, it's going to be for someone similarly entrenched in the NHL.

And since forward is our biggest need organizationally (poor recent goaltending disregarded), it'd be a forward for forward swap. At that point, I'm not sure which forward you're going to get that'd be a major upgrade on Spezza, by giving Spezza.

So we might be better off keeping him. I want to see if he can return to his form of the first 12 games. Maybe a change of scenario deal could work, but I don't see any other forwards struggling that have as much potential as Spezza does.

How long can we wait for this guy though? Your last sentence said it all. Guys with his potential usually get there....or at least further than Spezza has. I am worried that sooner or later, noone will touch him with a ten foot pole. Do you really want to have him as is for the next 6 years or whatever bringing what he was before he got injured at his hit/salary?

I agree that they might not want a full on rebuild, but this rebuilding on the fly isn't working...at least not yet. Murray's track record outside of drafting isn't something I have alot of confidence either.

I'm not advocating just trading him for the sake of getting him out of here, but if someone comes knocking with a nice package....bye.

asq2 wrote:I'm not convinced we'll move Spezza, even if it's to the team's detriment. Melnyk and the Murrays are not looking for a big re-build. If Spezza gets moved, it's going to be for someone similarly entrenched in the NHL.

And since forward is our biggest need organizationally (poor recent goaltending disregarded), it'd be a forward for forward swap. At that point, I'm not sure which forward you're going to get that'd be a major upgrade on Spezza, by giving Spezza.

So we might be better off keeping him. I want to see if he can return to his form of the first 12 games. Maybe a change of scenario deal could work, but I don't see any other forwards struggling that have as much potential as Spezza does.

I don't think Murray will move Spezza either but it's because of his contract. Right now, he's virtually untradable because of it and unless we're doing a 7 mil for 7 mil swap then I don't think he will move until his contract expires or he's bought out. Teams just can't take on that kind of cap hit anymore and him struggling doesn't help either.

We're probably going to have to keep him and hope he turns into the player we always hoped he would turn into.

cain69 wrote:Tell me if this can be possible if Ottawa full out of the play off race?
I feel it is time to start shacking things up if they full out again this yr.

Ottawa

Jason Spezza
A-Train
Lee

For

Edmonton

Jorden Eberly
Andrew Coglinao
2010 1st rd
Or Tom Gilbert

It might happen !!!!!

Never going to happen. I like Coglinao but he cant win a face off but he would be great on the wing where he can truely use his speed. You need to get a Center coming back. Atrain would need to be moved elsewhere in order to get that center. This is a deal that may occur in the off season if Atrain was signed however not mid season as Edmonton would take on too much salary. Again Atrain would need to go somewhere else.

I'm not intending to offer a commentary on the Murrayses' mindset, I'm just not sure I see a better alternative to keeping Spezza when you factor in
A) they're not going to deal him for picks and prospects considering we're not rebuilding, for better or for worse
B) it'd create a gaping hole at forward and specifically centre, meaning that you'd have to deal him for another centreman

Unless it's a change of scenery scenario, I don't see how we benefit. A fair trade would put us in exactly the same position as we are now with him.

asq2 wrote:I'm not intending to offer a commentary on the Murrayses' mindset, I'm just not sure I see a better alternative to keeping Spezza when you factor in
A) they're not going to deal him for picks and prospects considering we're not rebuilding, for better or for worse
B) it'd create a gaping hole at forward and specifically centre, meaning that you'd have to deal him for another centreman

Unless it's a change of scenery scenario, I don't see how we benefit. A fair trade would put us in exactly the same position as we are now with him.

I don't disagree with anything you said but even if you wanted to trade Spezza, I don't think you could because of his contract. At least not a Spezza for prospects/picks kind of deal that a lot of people have suggested in the past. We are stuck with him and hopefully he does turn into that dominant first line centre we hoped he could be all along. If we're going to be a good team any time soon we need that to happen.

And I think we are rebuilding in a way, just not a drastic rebuild. Murray has 3 or 4 stop gaps currently in the lineup until some of our prospects develop and can take over their spots.

Any progress on the Brunette and/or Hamhuis deal?

Spezza?

I'm going to grab a coffee. When I get back, there better be a deal.

Don't hold your breath.

OK, so I thought I'd have a look around the "internet" for any sign of a deal. I can't find one. Anyone else?

It's Murray, what do you expect? I highly doubt this is going to happen.

Who are we going to move to get either of these guys? Where do we get the money?

SensGirl11 wrote:Who are we going to move to get either of these guys? Where do we get the money?

Right now, we have 2.3 million in cap space.